FAI support Rovers for Tallaght

**wws** · 15/12/2006, 1:51 PM

Jaime is 100% spot on (for once)
it was a stupid thing to do by the FAI
i thought the league was going to be past that stage

*by the way the rights and wrongs of the actual legal issue are irrelevant to the fact that that fai are acting in a foolish manner here

arbitrary funding of clubs like this will end in the usual mess

**dcfcsteve** · 15/12/2006, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by wws

Jaime is 100% spot on (for once)
it was a stupid thing to do by the FAI
i thought the league was going to be past that stage

*by the way the rights and wrongs of the actual legal issue are irrelevant to the fact that that fai are acting in a foolish manner here

arbitrary funding of clubs like this will end in the usual mess

Why ?????? Stop just stating your point and start justifying it !!

This is a one-off situation. It therefore requires a one-off response. I would sincerely hope and expect the FAI to come to the aid of any other club that had found itself faced with such a similar and unique situation.

Are you joining Jaime and effectivelty accusing Rovers of planning to hoodwink the FAI and use the legal money to fund players ? The two of you should be ashamed of yourselves for making such rash and thoroughly ill-founded allegations. The fact that Rovers don't even have any full-time staff to pay shows how laughably ludicous that conspiracy theory is anyway !

**wws** · 15/12/2006, 2:02 PM

they are financially aiding a club (in an uneven manner)
its wrong period
there are plenty of one off situations - thats the point - you dont create trouble for yourself by creating a precedent

and obviously - less legal fees to pay = more to pay on the team

**WeAreRovers** · 15/12/2006, 2:05 PM

Limerick are a mess, when their fans get up off their backsides and get rid of Drew and sort out the club then the FAI will help - don't forget that the FAI offered to buy the lease on behalf of Limerick. It didn't happen but not through the fault of the FAI....

Jaime - Take off your ridiculous red and black goggles for a second. An assualt by the bigots on one club is an assault on us all.

wws - At least Jaime's club will have their own new ground to move into. I assume that your opposition to the FAI's help in this matter means you won't be watching Pats when they are tenants in Tallaght?

KOH

**gspain** · 15/12/2006, 2:08 PM

I think there are 2 different issues here.

1) Yes as a Limerick fan I'd like more support. Whatever the rights and wrongs and popularity of our present chairman in Merrion Square the 3rd city is likely to lose senior football.

2) The FAI are doing the right thing in backing Rovers. Different issue.

**dcfcsteve** · 15/12/2006, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

Whatever the rights and wrongs and popularity of our present chairman in Merrion Square the 3rd city is likely to lose senior football.

Fourth city, in terms of the Eircom league.....

Though i obviously agree with your summary.

**Vitruvian Man** · 15/12/2006, 2:22 PM

It's a sad sate of affairs that TD can automatically call on the financial and technical aid of their association without anyone batting an eyelid but when Shamrock Rovers get the same from their governing body it is something unusual to be remarked on.

It is right an proper that the FAI suppport Rovers on this, they should have done it sooner and, if the FAI were doing their job, we wouldn't think it was unusual.

But I would have a question for some people on this board. Are the FAI now BIGOTS

becuase they are supporting Shamrock Rovers. The GAA are classed as bigots here for supporting "their" club.

I also think Rovers fans are indulging in a bit of wishful thinking if they think a TD victory in this case will open up a can of worms for use of GAA facilities around the country.

Tallaght stadium is 100% public owned and 100% developed with public money. No GAA ground that I know of falls into this catagory. In fact Rovers could have had Tallaght on the same conditions that the GAA hold some of their property (Free Land + grant money to partly fund development) but they f*cked it all away.

If, off the back of a defeat in the Tallaght case, the FAi/soccer clubs launched legal attempts to get into GAA facilities they would be laughed out of court.

But if your delusion keeps you warm at night...

**wws** · 15/12/2006, 2:23 PM

I cant say it any clearer
the fai have the best of intentions but have gone down helping out the wrong way
they would be best served applying pressure where it matters with their new buddies in Croke Park (it doesnt even have to be played out publicly)

giving money to one club in this manner is utterly stupid - I cant believe anyones even arguing this point to be honest

**Calcio Jack** · 15/12/2006, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

It's a sad sate of affairs that TD can automatically call on the financial and technical aid of their association without anyone batting an eyelid but when Shamrock Rovers get the same from their governing body it is something unusual to be remarked on.

It is right an proper that the FAI suppport Rovers on this, they should have done it sooner and, if the FAI were doing their job, we wouldn't think it was unusual.

But I would have a question for some people on this board. Are the FAI now BIGOTS

becuase they are supporting Shamrock Rovers. The GAA are classed as bigots here for supporting "their" club.

I also think Rovers fans are indulging in a bit of wishful thinking if they think a TD victory in this case will open up a can of worms for use of GAA facilities around the country.

Tallaght stadium is 100% public owned and 100% developed with public money. No GAA ground that I know of falls into this catagory. In fact Rovers could have had Tallaght on the same conditions that the GAA hold some of their property (Free Land + grant money to partly fund development) but they f*cked it all away.

If, off the back of a defeat in the Tallaght case, the FAi/soccer clubs launched legal attempts to get into GAA facilities they would be laughed out of court.

But if your delusion keeps you warm at night...

No the FAI should not now be classed as bigots. The difference here is that our association is coming to our help because we are been 'targeted' by the GAA via TD, and that is why as has already been explained ad nauseum on this and other threads the GAA/TD are deemed to be the bigots ....you no doubt will have your own view.

As for you comment that we are deluded, well gook luck to you and anyone in the GAA that holds that opinion.... I'm more interested in the views that I've received from senior counsel on the matter.... so don't intend debating this one, suffice to say that if circumstances demand then all these matters will be clarified in the Courts.

**WeAreRovers** · 15/12/2006, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by wws

giving money to one club in this manner is utterly stupid - I cant believe anyones even arguing this point to be honest

Given your track record I can only assume you're deliberately misreading this. Tallaght stadium is a municipal 'soccer' facility, owned and (largely) paid for by SDCC. A local sports club are objecting through the courts. SRFC are a notice party to these proceedings (basically on behalf of ourselves, the FAI and the larger football community in Ireland) and the FAI has offered to help with legal fees on that basis.

The FAI, DASG and SDCC are all backing this development on the grounds that it will be shared by 2 eircom League clubs. They are not "giving money to one club". Who do you think is the 2nd club as seen by the above 3 bodies?

Effectively the FAI are helping Pats out here too. On second thoughts, you're right this is a disgrace.

KOH

**wws** · 15/12/2006, 3:01 PM

i know what their little policy is
that doesnt make this latest stunt any sounder
its stupid period

maybe they'll throw a few bob dundalks way now

utter inconsistent indefensible rubbish

as for pats being the second club lets see out it all falls down first

this delay is manna from heavan from my point of view

**Billy Lord** · 15/12/2006, 3:48 PM

Believe it or not, Rovers have a squad budget and - as was the case last season - any other costs (including unplanned ones such as fines, legal fees, injury treatment) are external to that.
The FAI are minimising the financial burden of our legal costs, not freeing money for players. Just because other clubs are run in a dysfunctional manner doesn't mean that we do the same.

**NY Hoop** · 15/12/2006, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by wws

utter inconsistent indefensible rubbish

Sums up your contributions here.

KOH

**wws** · 15/12/2006, 3:56 PM

lame logic lads

lame

**bigmac** · 15/12/2006, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

But I would have a question for some people on this board. Are the FAI now BIGOTS

becuase they are supporting Shamrock Rovers. The GAA are classed as bigots here for supporting "their" club.

TD and the GAA are the aggressors, Rovers and the FAI are the defenders. Having not initiated any action to either prevent a GAA club using a pitch or to force them to share it, I fail to see the rationale behind this point.

I'm 100% behind the FAI on this one, hope it all works out.

**WeAreRovers** · 15/12/2006, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by wws

lame logic lads

lame

Keep going there boss, keep going.....

KOH

**wws** · 15/12/2006, 4:23 PM

lame lame

**Dr.Nightdub** · 15/12/2006, 8:37 PM

WAR, I admire your perseverance, but can't you see none of us from D8 are biting?

On the question of the FAI part-funding legal aid for Rovers, the amount involved is likely to be quite small, given that Rovers aren't direct parties to the action being taken by Thomas Davis GAA - it's being taken against SDCC. Rovers are effectively just (extremely) interested bystanders, so the FAI ststement is really only a token gesture, it's not as if Rovers are gonna be sending O'Rumpole of the Four Courts into action on their behalf. That's why I'm so amazed at people getting wound up over the FAI's statement.

And don't even try to argue about "a matter of principle", we all know Delaney has none.

**khoop** · 16/12/2006, 6:58 AM

Although they have been very slow to react publicly because of their tenancy in Croke Park, the FAI want Tallaght Stadium as much as Rovers do. Not simply because it would create a soccer stronghold in an area with huge potential (which is why Thomas Davis want it stopped) but also because it is earmarked for staging underage international games.

**pete** · 16/12/2006, 12:12 PM

Firstly, good announcement by the FAI as it shows TD that not going to win this by drawing out & bankrupting Rovers. I presume the FAI had reasons not to make this announcement earlier as Croke Park is a sensitive issue. The Tallaght decision could have far reaching consequences elsewhere so all eL clubs benefit from it. The FAI would like Rovers to progress in Tallaght for wider footballing reasons.

Limerick are a mess & given the 1st division licence issues not that strict shows how bad they are that long way off getting it. Some of the issues fell down down are pitiful & show they not taken seriously.

All i've asked for the new FAI League is consistency & decisiveness. So far so good.