Mrs Gill steps up to the plate

**Flawless** · 12/12/2006, 8:03 PM

Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

If Gill did say this then his club deserve to be where they are. It was in black and white and very very clear how it would work. If they didn't bother to read it and take the correct steps then the 1st division is the only place for them.

See above post!

**Terry** · 12/12/2006, 8:24 PM

But what people are saying elsewhere Flawless is that if the 5th year was included ye still wouldnt have had enough points to go up!

**dcfcsteve** · 12/12/2006, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by Flawless

We agreed to a 5 Season Adjudication...

Don't understand why the club didnt put up more of a fight so that our Cup win would have been taken into account after the Kildare Fiasco.

Also someone mentioned our off-field criteria being a cause for us to lose points, that was our overall strength believe it or not!!,we actually scored more points than shels did in the off-field dept!!

Flawless - do you actually read what's on this site ??

It wouldn't have made a blind difference if it had been 5 seasons rather than 4 - you still wouln't have made the cut as you were too far behind Galway !

**ColinR** · 12/12/2006, 9:59 PM

Originally Posted by Flawless

We agreed to a 5 Season Adjudication...

Don't understand why the club didnt put up more of a fight so that our Cup win would have been taken into account after the Kildare Fiasco.

your cup win wasn't in the last five seasons though:

last five fai cup winners:

2006: derry
2005: drogs
2004: longford
2003: longford
2002: derry
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2001/02: dundalk

so even if you did sign up for five seasons, your cup win wasn't amongst them

**Student Mullet** · 12/12/2006, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by ColinR

your cup win wasn't in the last five seasons though:

last five fai cup winners:

2006: derry
2005: drogs
2004: longford
2003: longford
2002: derry
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2001/02: dundalk

so even if you did sign up for five seasons, your cup win wasn't amongst them

Your numbering is out by one. Kildare came in in 2002. The 'five years' were originally from 01/02 'til 2005 but it was changed to 4 years from 02 'til 05 to fit Kildare in.

2006 results were counted up seperately.

**pete** · 12/12/2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by ColinR

your cup win wasn't in the last five seasons though:

Don't worry they will find some excuse.

The fact is i think Dundalk about 35 points outside the top 12. The only way they can justify promotion is the scrapping of the process they signed up for.

**ColinR** · 12/12/2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

2006 results were counted up seperately.

ah, it makes sense now!!

feel that the end result has left craptown shafted by the process, but it was inevitable that someone would be shafted.

i don't see why a strict licencsing system and normal promotion and relegation should not have been used. in fact i cannot see any justification for basing the results on anything other than the current year, but i suppose plenty of us said that at the time, but the fai obviously had an agenda to fulfill

**pete** · 12/12/2006, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by ColinR

i don't see why a strict licencsing system and normal promotion and relegation should not have been used.

Keeping that system could have kept Dublin City in business a bit longer so they would creep into the Premier. I am sure that the FAI fancied dropping UCD but they got enough points so stay in as they should.

**Calcio Jack** · 13/12/2006, 6:55 AM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

It's interesting that Calcio Jack immediately made the connection with a particular club which wasn't named in my post.

Oh come on get real... and look at what I wrote and either reply to it or drop it... so were you accusing Rovers players of something or not for which they should be disciplined , because if you were , then as I said you need to be able to provide proof ? Everyone here IMO would presume that's whom you refering to...so it's easy one to respond to , it's either yes or no.

**DvB** · 13/12/2006, 7:21 AM

[QUOTE=Sheridan;590700]
Shamrock Rovers knew a top-five finish would suffice, and so played without fear or pressure (just as Bernard Tapie fixed Marseille's final league fixture ahead of the European Cup final, except applied to an entire season.) QUOTE]

I dont like normally making personal statements about individual posters (as opposed to their posts) on any forum but this has to be said, You have issues, genuinely, your grievance against all things Shamrock Rovers has gone beyond the realms of reality at this stage!! The above statement is so wide of the mark in terms of accuracy its undeserving of comment TBH!

Koh

**hoops1** · 13/12/2006, 9:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

The playing field was tilted in his opponents' favour as soon as the process was devised. Shamrock Rovers knew a top-five finish would suffice, and so played without fear or pressure (just as Bernard Tapie fixed Marseille's final league fixture ahead of the European Cup final, except applied to an entire season.) Giller was asked to overhaul what amounted to an undeclared points deduction, with an inferior team (Trevor Vaughan FFS), then prepare his players for a two-legged game of indeterminate consequence against Premier Division opponents, and did all that was asked of him. He's entitled, as a genuine football man (a description which couldn't be applied to most posters here, judging from what I've read over the past 36 hours) to his bewilderment at a decision which offends the very essence of competitive sport.

How can you fit so much rubbish in so few lines.

**harpskid** · 13/12/2006, 9:45 AM

Originally Posted by Terry

But what people are saying elsewhere Flawless is that if the 5th year was included ye still wouldnt have had enough points to go up!

Exactly. Even if the five year record had been taken into account Dundalk still wouldn't have finished ahead of Galway...!

John Gill has been whinging on about this process when instead he should have been going to his employers seeking an explanation into why he didn't know there was a play-off as it was stated months ago that it was taking place.

And I feel the media in Louth have to take a certain degree of criticism as well for their naming of the play-off as the 'promotion/relegation play-off' instead of the correct title 'eircom league play-off'

**NY Hoop** · 13/12/2006, 10:11 AM

[QUOTE=DvB;590935]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Shamrock Rovers knew a top-five finish would suffice, and so played without fear or pressure (just as Bernard Tapie fixed Marseille's final league fixture ahead of the European Cup final, except applied to an entire season.) QUOTE]

I dont like normally making personal statements about individual posters (as opposed to their posts) on any forum but this has to be said, You have issues, genuinely, your grievance against all things Shamrock Rovers has gone beyond the realms of reality at this stage!! The above statement is so wide of the mark in terms of accuracy its undeserving of comment TBH!

Koh

Spot on. He spends more time mentioning Rovers than Dodo ICBITHF CHF Franchise FC which says it all but surely the comment about reputable owners takes the biscuit factory??

Crackpot who slags people off about what class they are

A genuine football person for sure.......

KOH

**mcgonigle** · 13/12/2006, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

Time to shut up.

You should take your own advice Hooperatzi before handing it out to others...

Your like a broken record, I'm sure you will now post the same thing again in different words, actually your quite talented

**Schumi** · 13/12/2006, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

No. One year's results are what's used in league's to determine the playing strength of clubs in a one-off snap-shot.

Exactly how it should be done. Many past successes were due to ignoring licencing improvements (as Derry should know better than most), the opposite of what this new dawn is supposed to be about.

What if Bohs had been condemned to the First Division because of points deductions over the McGuinness Affair? Or other clubs because of the Dublin City points affair? That shows you the potential for problems when such a narrow time-frame is taken as being representative.

Bohs would have stayed up with their off-pitch scores. If they finished behind that Waterford team, they wouldn't deserve any place in the new league.

They're not used in Independent Assessments of which clubs are best equipped on and off the pitch to survive and grow at the highest level.

Have you any examples of other independent assessments?

**pete** · 13/12/2006, 11:58 AM

Are Dundalk the first eL club to be "promoted" & "relegated" in the same close season?

**holidaysong** · 13/12/2006, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Finally - give me a fairer time-scale than that used, and justify it intellligently. If you can't, then don't criticise that which was used....

Use the league position for this season (the best indicator of how good a team in on the field) and then factor in the off the field points. We beat Shels and Drogheda (among others) on the off the field points. Without getting into whether or not we should have signed up for it, I don't think a system that penalises you for your results four years ago is fair. I think from your comments however you do? I think the FAI were too afraid of how badly some of the 'bigger' clubs (like Shels and Drogheda) would do on off the field matters to do a system that did one season placings combined with off the field points.