Wheres the Transparency?

[eamo1]

does anyone have the complete full list of points totals for both on the field and off the field???i thought they were meant to be published.maybe they will be in the papers tomorrow.they said there would transparency so i hope they do publish them.

[soccerc]

does anyone have the complete full list of points totals for both on the field and off the field???i thought they were meant to be published.maybe they will be in the papers tomorrow.they said there would transparency so i hope they do publish them.

Not unless each club is willing to divulge their off the field points. From what I am aware of, only a few have been forthcoming and I suspect a good majority will not release the figures unless they get the FAI's nod to so do.

[Dodge]

From the indo, figures given by clubs themselves

Derry City
On The Field: 460. Off The Field: 370. Total: 830 (Premier Div))

Bohemians
On The Field: 420. Off The Field: 371. Total: 791 (Premier Div))

Shelbourne
On The Field: 493. Off The Field: 278. Total: 771 (Premier Div)

UCD
On The Field: 370. Off The Field: 374. Total: 744 (Premier Div)

Drogheda United
On The Field: 437. Off The Field: 300. Total: 737 (Premier Div)

Shamrock Rovers
On The Field: 380. Off The Field: 346. Total: 726 (Premier Div)

Sligo Rovers
On The Field: 340. Off The Field: 360. Total: 700 (Premier Div)

Bray Wanderers
On The Field: 333. Off The Field: 351. Total: 684 (Premier Div)

Galway
On The Field: 260. Off The Field: 389. Total: 649 (Premier Div)

Waterford
On The Field: 337. Off The Field: 295. Total: 632 (First Div)

Dundalk
On The Field: 247. Off The Field: 348. Total: 595 (First Div)

Cork City
On The Field: 460. Off The Field: N/A. (Premier Div)

Longford Town
On The Field: 430. Off The Field: N/A. (Premier Div)

St Patrick's Athletic
On The Field: 410. Off The Field: N/A. (Premier Div)

[Poor Student]

Those are very interesting. Waterford in spite of Partizan's sanctimonious embracing of the IAG process on the basis of all the great work he felt his club had done did in fact score comparatively quite low off the field. Shelbourne scored the worst of the known Premier clubs and have their off field record to thank for them scoring so well. UCD are the highest known off the field scorers of the of the old Premier clubs. Dundalk actually did quite well off the field but on the field stuff screwed them.

[Soper]

Basically, I think the way Galway used to the media to their advanatge n the closing week scored them a lot of off the field points.This seems to be what the FAI want - 'proactive' commercial side of a club, having positive stories published in a national paper.Also, Galway having Nick Leeson, and the job he has done, the FAI probably want him and them as an example of how the Club Promotions Officer should be operating next season.

[Mr A]

I have to admit that a certain amount of my faith in this process is restored by seeing that UCD scored highly and Shels poorly off the field (which is scary given that they have one of the best stadia).

I still think that all the scores should be given out in detail though. Then each club would know what they were doing wrong and where to look for examples of best practise.

If this has to be done, it should be done right, and if the scoring was fair and balanced then the IAG/FAI should be able to stand over their marks.

[Magicme]

Those are very interesting. Waterford in spite of Partizan's sanctimonious embracing of the IAG process on the basis of all the great work he felt his club had done did in fact score comparatively quite low off the field. Shelbourne scored the worst of the known Premier clubs and have their off field record to thank for them scoring so well. UCD are the highest known off the field scorers of the of the old Premier clubs. Dundalk actually did quite well off the field but on the field stuff screwed them.

Exactly and Dundalk are moaning that it should have been decided "on the field"! It was albiet over the few years of their worst results rather than the one year in at least 5 when they did something worthwhile on the pitch. There were always going to be winners and losers and looks like Dundalk are losers but not good ones.

[JW.]

if the scoring was fair and balanced then the IAG/FAI should be able to stand over their marks.

We're not talking about Fox News, Galway Harps.

[Mr A]

I'd trust Fox News before the FAI in fairness JW!

[eamo1]

dundalk had been using the media alot too in recent weeks,they were on newstalk and rte radio.so it wasnt just utd doing a few pieces in the media,and thats not what got them up,its a result of 3 years very hard work and its very dissappointing that the utd board are not getting the credit they deserve.but actually that might be good because then people wont know just how good nick and niall are and wont try take them from us. .but it was dissapoointing to read the indo today,yes there has to be questions still answered on transparency(the point of this thread),but i was expecting a feature story of galway utd or something similar talking about the good work done,nothing of the sort.

[Mr A]

Yeah, I think it's disgraceful the way the media never give Galway United any credit!

[Soper]

There's a difference between a few Dundalk staff moaning, and the slick article that Nick Leeson and Galway United got!

[Partizan]

Those are very interesting. Waterford in spite of Partizan's sanctimonious embracing of the IAG process on the basis of all the great work he felt his club had done did in fact score comparatively quite low off the field. Shelbourne scored the worst of the known Premier clubs and have their off field record to thank for them scoring so well. UCD are the highest known off the field scorers of the of the old Premier clubs. Dundalk actually did quite well off the field but on the field stuff screwed them.

Well, we have a lot more going for us than UCD. You lot have been in the league over 20 years and your support base and marketability is just as bad as it was in 1985. In the intervening decades, you have made absolutley no attempt whatsoever to branch out into the south east Dublin locality despite the exit of Rovers from the area. What saves you is that you are a university team, otherwise you would have gone the way of Dodo City a long time ago. Ourselves on the otherhand have long had a strong link with the South East in terms of fanbase and player catchment and have numerous strong links with schoolboy and junior leagues in the area.

Our link up with WIT now gives us the ability to attract and pay for the 3rd level education of promising youngsters. We received a tax compliance cert from the Revenue, cleared all our debts, UEFA badge coaches, Youth Academy to be set up after RSC renovation, received UEFA and Premier certificates and the RSC is due a major facelift (plans are available from Waterford City Council). After all that we scored one of the lowest in the League in off field criteria. How the hell is that? Am I aggrieved, damn right. I honestly think that the IAG/FAI has punished us for running ourselves properly. It looks like that PR has won over substance (whats actually on paper).

I'd love to see the break down of the points and see who went where.

[JW.]

I'd love to see the break down of the points and see who went where.

Is the refusal to publish these down to the possibility of embarrassing some clubs? Will all clubs publish theirs?

[Partizan]

Is the refusal to publish these down to the possibility of embarrassing some clubs? Will all clubs publish theirs?

If there is any accountability in the system at all, the points breakdown to each Club must be published. If not, we could have a case.

[JW.]

In my opinion they should definitely be published to eliminate the legitimate grievances some clubs' fans may have.

[Dodge]

I honestly think that the IAG/FAI has punished us for running ourselves properly

Thats just plain stoopid. And I say that as somebody with a lot of sympathy for your club.

[McShels]

Does anyone know what the off the field criteria were?

The reason I ask is that I am surprised that Shels scored so low even considering the various off the field problems they have had this season, Tolka is one of the better grounds in the country and there is a big schoolboy set up there as well.

I am not begrudging what Galway have achieved but I would like to see the breakdown of points scored in each criteria when you consider Galway got over 100 points more than Shels

[JW.]

In my view, getting relegated isn't a disaster for Waterford, as they've struggled so badly in the Premier in the last couple of seasons and going well in Div 1 generally creates a better atmosphere and crowds than labouring so badly in the Premier Division. It can afford a club a chance to get itself into a more favourable financial position as well. For all that it's a pretty depressing league to be in.

[Dodge]

having 3 winding up orders against your club might've hurt you McShels. Also not providing a match programme looks poor. Especially when its because you didn't pay the printer...