Official Premiership Thread

**GalwayFrancis** · 14/12/2006, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Seem to recall the Limerick fans being told on here that there was something like 700 in attendence for our first visit when Limerick fans counted roughly 300-350

on here is not the official attendance, apart from the odd occasion where it was annonced over the PA in terryland, towards the end of the season. attendances are counted correctly in galway and i know that for a fact. how about limerick? do they count their attendances? and if so how do they do it?

**sonofstan** · 14/12/2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by GalwayFrancis

how about limerick? do they count their attendances? and if so how do they do it?

Find someone with 2 hands? so they can go up to 11?

**pineapple stu** · 14/12/2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by GalwayFrancis

on here is not the official attendance, apart from the odd occasion where it was annonced over the PA in terryland, towards the end of the season. attendances are counted correctly in galway and i know that for a fact. how about limerick? do they count their attendances? and if so how do they do it?

Most Galway attendances on here were touted as official. Even Galways fans questioned their accuracy, saying there were up to several hundred more at games on occasions.

Originally Posted by oriel

My point is both Dundalk and Waterford have twice or 3 times the potential that clubs like UCD,Bray, Longford and as much as clubs like Galway, Sligo, + Drogheda.

If your potential is that much more than us, I'm sure you'll be overtaking us soon enough.

I've said all along that the process was rubbish and that Dundalk were screwed*, but you're gaining no sympathy from this rant of yours.

* - yes, they knew what was happening, but the process was still seriously flawed.

**Conor H** · 14/12/2006, 1:28 PM

Stu the Galway attendaces given are/have been correct.

Jebus there was 750 at the 1st game in Terryland.350 is laughable but understandable coming from a sore and envious bunch like yereselves.

**Terry** · 14/12/2006, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by sonofstan

on another point; will Dundalk be entitled to Shelbourne's place when they go belly up?

No, next in line points wise are Waterford

**DmanDmythDledge** · 14/12/2006, 3:20 PM

http://www.thepost.ie/breakingnews/b...xxz&n=87384080

Waterford United say they will be seeking clarification of the methodology used in assessing the clubs due to make up the new FAI National League Premier Division.

Waterford lost out on a place in the top flight under the selection process conducted by the FAI's Independent Assessment Group.

The club says it was shocked at being ranked so low in the off-field criteria, despite working to assemble the documentation and evidence needed to support its case for inclusion.

**bholg** · 14/12/2006, 4:04 PM

not complaining anymore, honest... yesterday's mind boggling display a fine example what can happen if one was to be an el or Ireland follower without a good sense of the absurd..

however.. reading the last page or two..
would it not be rational to say that when setting these criteria, the fai would have already had good knowledge of the clubs - certainly about results, attendences but also a decent knowledge of all relevant details about personell and management structures. Ergo knowing exactly who would be down and up, this would imply that the IAG is only a sort of front to give a veneer of impartiality, presiding over a foregone conclusion??.
who set the scoring allowances/criteria?? fai or themselves. were they threre to attempt to measure a set of given parameters for the fai, or to decide themselves what makes a decent football club and set their own agenda... this may already have been discussed, if so, sorry... im in the dark though.

i think i read dundalk are doing the same as waterford with the request...

**harpskid** · 14/12/2006, 4:59 PM

From FAI.ie

**bholg** · 14/12/2006, 5:12 PM

cheers.. point 6, if true, an interesting one.... suggests the club should have piped up earlier...

"6: At every stage in the process all clubs, including Dundalk, had the opportunity to suggest changes if they were not happy with the criteria being proposed and some clubs did so. In the end all the clubs that were assessed by the Independent Assessment Group had voted for the merger with the Football Association of Ireland and thus accepted the process that would ultimately decide the make-up of the Premier Division for 2007. "

oh well...

**Conor H** · 14/12/2006, 5:17 PM

An appeal by either club would be pointless and costly.I'd say they'll avoid it for their own sake tbh.

**Student Mullet** · 14/12/2006, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by harpskid

From FAI.ie

Does anyone else think that's a little bit petty? They could have made all the same points without mentioning Dundalk by name.

**oriel** · 14/12/2006, 7:02 PM

Lads - I`ll come clean - complete wind up my ten point rant

Of course the decision was the correct one based on last 4 years.

What a time to have our worst ever seasons.

Anyway good luck (again) to all 12, but no hidden agenda this time. Fair play and all that.

ps just watched maxi on u tube - total and utter cringo stuff.

**pineapple stu** · 14/12/2006, 7:50 PM

Right so. Here's what I have in relation to the points structure. All the clubs got this, so would at least have known what they were up against. I imagine those involved in their clubs could probably get hold of the same stuff. A fair bit of waffle, but anyways... This is also just a summary of what I got rather than the actual document itself, so unfortunately I probably won't be in a position to answer any questions as what's here is what I know... And I'm sure there's an error or two in there somewhere.

A disclaimer which would do the FAI proud.

Infrastructure - 100
Long-term plans (leases, ground ownership, stability, etc) - 0-60.
Capacity - 10pts for over 3000, 5 pts for under 3000 [presume that's as certified by Licencing]
Stadium cert - 30/20/10-19 depending on no issues/minor issues/other issues. Not 100% sure this is exactly; assume others'll know more.
Governance, etc - 50
Management structure basically. 0-50 marks depending on how much you impressed the IAG. So thinkgs like your entire board walking out mid-season (Shels) would probably score low, while having assigned job titles to different people would probably score high.
Finance - 100
10 for meeting licencing requirements (which is stuff like you won't go broke unless you can produce a budget which balances; easy enough taht Dublin City passed back at the start of the season)
10 for controls/structure/more waffle
20 for providing audited accounts
10 for no outstanding payments. The last time I was talking to the FAI, they said that outstanding payments meant outstanding at the year end...and not agreed to in writing by the party in question...and then outstanding for another year...
50 for financial controls. Not sure how this differs to the 10 above. Mainly to do with having a history of not going broke, reconciling official gates to takings and generally knowing how much money you have.
Strategic planning - 70
How great you're going to be in five years. 0-70 points.
Licencing - 30
10 points for each year you got a licence. Don't know where it stands on appeals (i.e. everyone got a licence every year, but no-one bar Derry got a licence in the first year on the first go).
Youth development - 50
Previous performance - out of 20
2007 plans - out of 10
Future plans - out of 20
Attendances - 30
As noted elsewhere. 30 for the biggest crowds in the league; 1 poin less for every 150 under that you are.
Weighted attendances - 30
Again, as noted elsewhere. Multiply crowds according to where you finished in the league as follows -
Top half of the Premier - x 1
Bottom half of the Premier - x 1�
Top half of the First - x 2
Bottom half of the First - x 2�

And apply the same formula as above. Basically to acknowledge clubs ahose attendances drop because they're having a bad year.
Marketing - 40
Plans.

No real ideas more than that, but a lot of it did basically amount to a beauty contest. I know at one stage the club were asking me for any photos of the League Cup Final last year to show a packed Belfield Park to impress the IAG more.

So complete and utter nonsense really, but there is some sort of structure to it.

**Poor Student** · 14/12/2006, 7:55 PM

Pineapple, you said you know UCD's exact scores, can you post them?

**pineapple stu** · 14/12/2006, 7:56 PM

Never said that...?

We scored 374 overall, that's all I know.

**Poor Student** · 14/12/2006, 7:58 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Never said that...?

We scored 374 overall, that's all I know.

Could have sworn you did, maybe I'm thinking of something you said before the score was released.

**geezer** · 14/12/2006, 7:59 PM

no chance of ever getting a licence then, The GUFC gate is the best gate process in the country, believe me , they even let the fans audit it from time to time so your barking up the wrong tree there. Also why dont you shut up and do something for Limerick football and stop cringing about others

**pineapple stu** · 14/12/2006, 8:00 PM

Originally Posted by Conor H

Stu the Galway attendaces given are/have been correct.

That's not what you've been saying all season. It's been "Yeah, they were official, but there were an extra 700 people here and an extra 500 there", and people telling me to ignore the official crowds and put in the inflated figure instead.

**Conor H** · 14/12/2006, 9:15 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

That's not what you've been saying all season. It's been "Yeah, they were official, but there were an extra 700 people here and an extra 500 there", and people telling me to ignore the official crowds and put in the inflated figure instead.

Sorry i mis-interpreted i thought you were saying we were giving the worng info.Am totlaly confused at what i said now.

Apologies.