oh where have you been all day Gael, its been happening all day longOriginally Posted by gael353
i agree. Im just waiting for the idiots who dont understand to have a personnel attack on him
Limerick have nothing to do this, so I don't know why you are harping back to it, neither does my dislike of Galway United. All I have been saying on here can be boiled down to me just saying that you and I must have very different viewpoints on competitive sports Hooperatzi
Good man jebus. Signing three players on transfer deadline day, upping the playing budget and getting in Tony Cousins as manager, before going on a run that bettered all other Div 1 clubs over that period... it all constitutes us not giving a damn about winning the league this season.
Yes, we really went out of our way not to win it on the pitch. Scoring the joint highest amount of goals, losing 5 games, equalling a club record 7 wins in a row, accumulating enough points that would have seen us go up most seasons.
Lick of paint? Realignment of floodlights and building of a new stand that will increase capacity to 5,000.
What is it you want Jebus? For us to hang our heads in shame and beg your forgiveness for being invited to this new league. Can you please tell us?
Gaillimh Al,
There's no point arguing with a wall.
Galway beat Waterford by 17 points according to Newstalk. How much was the play-off worth?
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Are you saying that all the Galway bleating about 5-year off the field targets, putting an emphasis on off the field efforts, apparantly at the cost of your team budget (it's been said on here, in this or some other thread today) and the rejoicing at the fact that a committee promoted you means you didn't put an empasis on off the pitch matters? I never said you didn't give a damn about winning the league this season so don't try to put your ill-reason on me
What I said if you look back is that you have purposefully gone out trying to achieve off the pitch promotion, which you obviously have, how else would Galway have been promoted? Your club may have tried to get things done one the pitch, but when that failed you lot fell back on trying to persuade a committee to promote you. People can say that every club knew the rules and that Galway just played them well, but all thats constitues is that you purposefully went out looking to get promoted off the pitch. Since your club is the one that is and has been going on about off the field ideas and deeds than I can't see why you would have a problem with me saying this
Well done to Galway.I think they deserved it at Waterfords expense, however if it had been UCD, then I'd be of a different opinion.
Hopefully will get over for one of the derbies next season.
and the prize for not coming up with a reasoned argument as to why this criteria=promotion lark is a good thing (once again)goes to......your right Jebus, they should overspend on players, ignore their stadium, not squander money on marketing or youth systems.
and the prize for missing the point about the entire criteria approach goes to....
Its not that I don't like Bray. I think your results on the pitch have not been spectacular so ye only ahead of Dundalk & Galway on that front because they quiet poor. Off the pitch in all my years going to Bray I have seen little change aside from DIY stand this season (what is there a mosquito net at the back?). Because you also darwing on support from the south Dublin area you don't gain points for regional factor. IMO galway are miles ahead of you off the pitch in facilities & admin.
Aside from UCD (good admin & on the pitch results saved them) this is probbaly the best 12 clubs collectively for the Premier League. The addition of Galway & Rovers offers more in terms of interest & attendances than other candidates could offer.
See Shels got a license again. Despite the 3 winding up orders. Wonder did it come up?
Despise Dundalk, glad we'll never play them again. Unlucky on waterford who seemed to be sorting themselves out after a few ****s being in charge of them
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Can you point me in the direction of any of these reports? The one I read in The Irish Times was very careful to state exactly what the position of the play-off!
Look, at the end of the day, for better or worse, we're going to be in this league next year. Plans will be put in place tomorrow for next season and it should be exciting.
Jebus, and others who are against this, you have the right to your opinion and fair play for envoking a lively debate. However, I dont like your snide comments about our club and the way it is being run. It's an insult to the people who have worked hard since 1978 to have a League of Ireland club in Galway city. There have been a couple of occasions where the club has nearly gone to the wall and only for the hard work of dedicated people we wouldn't be in this position now. So why shouldn't they be proud that their achievement in turning this club into one of the better run in the country has helped out the club's on-field ambitions.
Objections to the way this selection was picked is fair enough, but castigating the club's officials for doing all it possibly could is wrong.
Once again, I ask, what would you have us do?
I love this idea - Bray would get more bonus points if their support came exclusively from Wicklow and wasn't contaminated by proximity to the nation's capital. Unfortunately, this is about the level the IAG, with their vague 'regionality' notions, are operating at. Was the deciding factor in leaving out Waterford and Dundalk their location in the eastern half of the country
SIGNATURESCOPE
Whew, having just read through all the posts, I defintiely agree this should be done every year. Far more exciting than mere football.
There are 2 debates here, one contentious about whether the idea of 50% off field is a good one, most people obviously think not as this is supposed to be a competitive sport. (I guess even many Galway fans agree on this). From a neutral point of view seems a bit silly to do this then have straight promotion/relegation next year if the idea is to promote long term stability.
The second debate is whether, given that system, the results are correct. There doesnt seem to be as much disagreement on this, though of course the whole thing is so subjective that its hard to say if Galway are really worth 19 points (or whatever) more than Waterford.
Might help if people were clearer about which they are angry about.
There was a differnce of one point for this season's standings between winninh/losing the playoff. Then that would have been added to FAI Cup points, League Cup etc. If that one point meant that Waterford would have scored more points for this season than the team placed ahead of them they would have gotten 10 extra points for the final score.
That's a good sensible reply, not normally i'd expect in a Bray/Cork thread, BUT and it's a big BUT, there are some serious wrong points in your anwer. Bray are one of the best run clubs in th league, our admin is 2nd to none. We have never ever onced missed player payments, never been in trouble with the courts (winding up orders etc). Our youth set up is excellent as well, we have an official link up with our Feeder club (Joeys) which we have 1st choice on all there top youth players, our 21 side are one of the best in the country, We also have a great record of developing players (Jason Byrne and Eamon Zyed are only 2 from a long list) ground improvements have slowely taken place over the past few seasons which include a new stand, new toilets and new press and media facilities, a new hospitality hut was also installed. It took us a while buut that was down to objections to planning premission, this has all now been passed and yet more plans are in place to further improve the ground. We are the only senior football club in wicklow, which means with the right marketing and money we have a massive tarket to tap into.
The regional thing has nothing to do with it what so ever, it's to do with the best clubs in the country, and we finished 10th this season meaning we fully deserve to be in the premier and that's not even taking off the field into account. We were well clear (70 or so points) of Galway on the pitch, so that point would be pretty invalid as well. What extra hae galway done to Teryland Park over the past couple of years ?
It comes down o what clubs people like and dislike.
IMO, any club who has been or ended up in the courts with winding up orders should not be in the premier, clearly shows they don't know ho to run a business in the correct manner, but that just my opnion.
I never expected us to be selected, our appaling seasons of 03 + 04 saw any hope of that quickly fade away.
Now regarding the 12, I have no probs with 10 of them, all fully derseved. Maybe UCD dont tick everyones boxes, but they are a well run club and have performed very well, finishing 6th this season.
What I do have a major issue with is Bray and Galway ?? What exactly have they done to get there over us ?
Bray, I`d hazzard a guess and say they budget their survial totally on dublin derby gates, they have very moderate support and have been with us since all of 1984 winning two trophys. A very friendly but ulitmately a first divsion club in every sense of the word, in fact a role model for Wexford Town to follow.
Galway, good support, decent stadium, alive and kicking since 1978 in the shape of Galway Rovers, I remember well the old terryland with the farm gates at each corner, give credit to their turn around though, but again very moderate sucess, a haul of one trophy, won in 1991 and relegated with us in 2002, and like us have been there ever since, so apart from everyones fav away trip, what was the difference. Better pubs ?
Yes we did sign up for this, but had we a choice ? why did the fai go ahead with the play off costing us thousands of euro ? is that not a more pressing concern for neutrals.
As I said I never expected us to go up but to see these two chosen ahead of is simply scandalous.
we have finish above dundalk in the last 4 years and this is the first year ye finished above us and everyone is shocked that you didnt get a place thats why galway got there place and there also well organised off the pitch so why are people shocked that galway leapfroged dundalk when they were always going to finish ahead of them
Last edited by sconn; 11/12/2006 at 8:47 PM.
It's a disgrace that Dundalk who finished 2nd and won the play off don't get promoted and yet Galway who finished 3rd and weren't good enough on the pitch do.
Another great decision by the FAI
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