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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    But I have to say that in general, the "American" word is generally more accurate in its description.
    Not really, and it's certainly less descriptive (because they don't have the intellectual agility to understand anything that's not spelled out in black and white for them.)

    But we all know Americans are a bit thick. We in this country have no excuse for our linguistic stupidity, with the birthplace of the language on our doorstep. Common Irish mispronunciations could fill an entire thread. Some of them provoke me to homicidal rage. There is only one r in sacrifice for instance. It's not "sarcrifice" for fvck's sake. Nor is our patron saint called Saint Partrick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    aloooominum pronounced for the word
    aluminium

    has to be the worst ever
    Thought you studied Physics in school, Paul?
    If you did, you may have learned that the word they use in the US is aluminum, whereas, the rest of us use aluminium.

    It stems from the fact that the word alumium was originally proposed for the metal (Can't remember the guys name). That name was then replaced by aluminum but was later changed to aluminium by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemists so as to conform with the standard "ium" ending of most other elements. Both names seem to have equal validity but aluminium is the more common name used outside of the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
    Not really, and it's certainly less descriptive (because they don't have the intellectual agility to understand anything that's not spelled out in black and white for them.)

    But we all know Americans are a bit thick.
    Dont think it is fair to characterise all of them this way. Sure, a few who come to Ireland to find where their relatives came from can come across as stupid, and some of their current politicians don't help, but I have met plenty of extremely intelligent and eloquent Americans over here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
    Common Irish mispronunciations could fill an entire thread. Some of them provoke me to homicidal rage. There is only one r in sacrifice for instance. It's not "sarcrifice" for fvck's sake. Nor is our patron saint called Saint Partrick.
    My personal favourites have always been people saying "The D'unbelieveables" and "The Projidy"

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    The Sentanta Sports Cup is another one.
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    did they mean bacon rather than rashers in the ad ie a side of bacon ? for bacon and cabbage .

    Or did eircom just employ some stupid marketing people to come up with yet another annoying ad .

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    I personally think alot of american spelling makes more sense too. Color looks better and center makes more sense. Used to get in trouble in school for spelling them like that coz of my years in Canada.

    What does annoy me is that my sons like to use too many american terms from watching shows like Keenan & Kel etc. Its a Tank Top not a Sweater Vest, but sweater vest makes more sense! Since watching Hells Kitchen USA Dylan refers constantly to the Risssoooto he is making!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magicme View Post
    What does annoy me is that my sons like to use too many american terms from watching shows like Keenan & Kel etc.
    Jesus - you let your kids watch Keenan & Kel?! Stop it! Right now!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Peadar View Post
    It stems from the fact that the word alumium was originally proposed for the metal (Can't remember the guys name). That name was then replaced by aluminum but was later changed to aluminium by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemists so as to conform with the standard "ium" ending of most other elements.
    I think it was actually formally registered as "aluminum", but that was a typo as, as you note, the "ium" suffix is pretty much a standard. It was changed, but the Yanks keep the correct "incorrect" version.

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    Never heard that it was a typo. Always heard and read something similar to my version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peadar View Post
    Never heard that it was a typo. Always heard and read something similar to my version.
    Wikipedia (if it is to be believed (c)) to the rescue:


    The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which Humphry Davy employed in 1808 for the metal he was trying to isolate electrolytically from the mineral alumina. The citation is from his journal Philosophical Transactions: "Had I been so fortunate as..to have procured the metallic substances I was in search of, I should have proposed for them the names of silicium, alumium, zirconium, and glucium." [11]

    By 1812, Davy had settled on aluminum, which, as other sources note, matches its Latin root. He wrote in the journal Chemical Philosophy: "As yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state."[12] But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound." [13]

    The -ium suffix had the advantage of conforming to the precedent set in other newly discovered elements of the period: potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium, and strontium (all of which Davy had isolated himself). Nevertheless, -um spellings for elements were not unknown at the time, as for example platinum, known to Europeans since the 16th century, molybdenum, discovered in 1778, and tantalum, discovered in 1802.

    Americans adopted -ium for most of the 19th century, with aluminium appearing in Webster's Dictionary of 1828. In 1892, however, Charles Martin Hall used the -um spelling in an advertising handbill for his new electrolytic method of producing the metal, despite his constant use of the -ium spelling in all the patents he filed between 1886 and 1903. It has consequently been suggested that the spelling on the flier was a simple spelling mistake. [citation needed] Hall's domination of production of the metal ensured that the spelling aluminum became the standard in North America; the Webster Unabridged Dictionary of 1913, though, continued to use the -ium version.

    In 1926, the American Chemical Society officially decided to use aluminum in its publications; American dictionaries typically label the spelling aluminium as a British variant.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumium#Spelling
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    Others:

    Candy/Sweets
    Soda(also Soda Pop in places)/Mineral
    Apartment/Flat
    Check/Cheque
    Cell phone/Mobile
    Closet/Waldrobe
    Cookie/Biscuit
    Diaper/Nappy
    First Floor/Ground Floor (this still gets me after 14 years in the US)
    French Fries/Chips
    Gas/Petrol
    Jello/Jelly
    Jelly/Jam
    3 Muskateers/Milky Way
    Milky Way/Mars Bar

    Some more here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    And on that token, spellings with a "z" are in fact the correct (English) spellings and are recognised as such by the Oxford English dictionary. We changed our spellings to "s" about a century ago and now mock the Yanks for being wrong.
    New one on me, is there a Wikipedia article or summat?

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    Read it in Bill Bryson's Mother Tongue, I think. I'll try and dig up a reference.

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    Do please, I've never heard that before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metrostars View Post
    Soda(also Soda Pop in places)/Mineral
    Without doubt the culchiest term to phrase a soft drink!

    I was in Liverpool years ago playing for an U15 team and we went to a McDonalds after one of the games. One of the team on the trip from Donegal and now an eircom league coach for a team in Connaught went in and asked for a cheeseburger and a mineral.

    The mcdonaldette replied quizically: "A mineral sir? I'm afraid we don't have any "

    To which he replied in all seriousness, " Sorry can I have a Mcmineral then"

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofty9 View Post
    One of the team on the trip from Donegal and now an eircom league coach for a team in Connaught went in and asked for a cheeseburger and a mineral.
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    Suprised you need telling Sligoman, even I can work that one out.Funny story though.

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    Vive la difference as far as I'm concerned; languages evolve and while I like to wind my American colleagues up by accusing them of butchering the language we perfected, I would never expect them to use the same idioms and jargon as myself.
    What does get on my tĄts however is the way in which we have adopted movie instead of film (which has two syllables where I come from) or pictures (I only ever go to the pictures or occasionally the cinema) and other such barbarities.
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