QuoteIt's called embarrassment. Delusions of adequacy.Originally Posted by BohsFans
it's called a hyperlink, use it!
KOH
Is that actually true about the GAA getting the land out in Rathcoole for nothing?
I dont think it is.AFAIR they bought it years ago and have just never developed it.
And why would Rathcoole/Saggart need three GAA grounds anyway? Why cant they just develop an existing ground into the one they are looking to build.
How can anyone on a football forum support Thomas Davis on this one?
I'd have no problem Ireland playing their home games in another country rather than give the GAA money to p*ss away on court cases.
It's called embarrassment. Delusions of adequacy.it's called a hyperlink, use it!
KOH
possibly used already but ha
from the guardian
QUOTE OF THE DAY
"Ever since permission [to play soccer in Croke Park] was given to the
FAI, there has been a lot of talk, a lot of photo opportunities at
Croke Park. There's an air of triumphalism about the whole thing. Let
them not forget that they are on our patch" - Munster Council
chairman and 2008 Gaelic Athletic Association Presidential candidate,
Sean Fogarty, accuses the Irish FA of arrogance regarding their
approach to becoming tenants in Croke Park.
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Think they got that from a link here earlier... anseo a chairde ghael
Firstly, I've been signed up here a while, but very rarely post, find the site great for local football news and for details on upcoming international fixtures and tickets etc. So apologies for those of you who will want to attack me for my lack of posts.
I've been reading this topic for a while now, and other topics on this DB, but chose not to post. But this time I feel like I should.
First things first, I think what Thomas Davis is doing is wrong and should not be happening. Not being from Dublin or knowing the exact circumstances, is it a personal issue with the TD chairman or just his hatred of football? Its petty, small minded and just down right dumb. Liam Griffin, of Wexford hurling fame is known to have said he wants to see every child in Ireland play hurling, but if they dont he'd want to see them out playing sports and he'd be happy to see them play soccer as long as they were involved. Mick Wallace is known to attend most Wexford GAA games, as is Kevin Doyle (who I played many a game of Gaelic against (and a couple with) when he is around.
Now I know there are some archaic ways in the GAA, but the way some of you on here brand every single follower of the GAA as biggotted and small minded is a bit off. I for one would be a GAA man first, and represented my county at gaelic football (I'm not going to start a debate on the term frequently used here of bogball).
But I also follow football a lot too, granted I dont go to a load of EL games, just a few Waterford ones, but I'd be a regular attender of Wexford games should Mick Wallace (a man I know personally and have a lot of time for) get a team in the league. I have been to all Ireland home games (bar the time I was aborad) and have been to a few away games too. I went to the World Cup in the summer as well, only seeing one game but travelling around germany for 3 weeks soaking up the atmosphere was brilliant.
One thing I dont get, is how a lot of posters here claim the GAA is biggotted but yet they abuse and put down everything they do, call for bans on going to Croke Park and other such things. Its really trivial stuff and do you not see the irony in your opinions and actions?
Secondly, the level of accuracy with regards to the funding of Croke park, mainly displayed on this thread is appaling. You should not put itno print things that you hear. Funding for Croke Park is as follows: (sorry for not having the link, I had this copied on an email from a previous link due to a similar argument)
Total cost 260million
Tax Man 19million
National Lottery 91 million
Sale of seats 20million
Private Funding 90Million
Outstanding loan 36 million
The original plan was 10m in tax mney, but as the special olympics was being held there, the money was pushed up. And some of you are complaingin that the GAA should foot the bill for the installation of floodlights. I really dont see your argument for this, when the GAA put forward a plan a couple of years ago for them, Bord Planala refused them due to the residents. Now that the FAI needs them for their midweek games, I really dont see why they should foot the bill. Another point, Lansdowne road is receiving 191m in funds, about 80m of which is taxpayers money and the rest lottery. So please, can all this talk of tax money going into Croke Park please stop.
The comments from that fool in Tipperary about the FAI is ridiculous, and the GAA have requested that no one unauthorised be allowed to comment on the matter. Everywhere there will be one or 2 old stled people, but the majority see a future and advancement. Its not a case of you must chose one or the other, but here it seems it is.
But you must also see what is perceived as pettiness on the GAA's side. Staunton has requested on 2 seperate occasions use of Croke Park. Now that is petty, and when refused for the latest one, he complained. I for one, dont see his logic. Playing away to San Marino, he wants to train in Croke Park, nearly 2 months before their first game there. There is a Gaelic game on 2 days before his requested date and the first rugby international is on 4 days after his date. It isnt logical and can be seen as annoying. They are having no such problems from the IRFU who have already submitted a time frame plan for use of the grounds for training and such like to the approval of Croke Park, so its not a case of use it on our terms.
I know many of you wont read all this, especially as I'm after stating I'm from a GAA background and that will already have set off the red lights, but all I'm saying is try not to be as blinkered in your hatred of the GAA. You'd be surprised at how many people like both sports and can play both and enjoy supporting both.
Now, after all that (been biting my tongue for a long time on here), you can beat me with 'you're biggot GAA supporter' stick!!
The Irish FA is for the 6 counties, who aren't using Croker!
get with the times, the media have. Now down off your horse.
That's "the media"?.
KOH
keep it coming....it'll just go to the rubbish pageThat's "the media"?.
KOH
People are not branding every GAA follower as bigoted. The vast majority are not bigots. You do have nutcases (looks like there is the odd football nutter too see Merrion Square today) like the ones leading the charge in Thomas Davis or that Tipperary nutter Fogarty. You also have guys like Tommy Kenoy and Sean Kelly who are superb ambassadors for the GAA. I would strugle to find a bigoted comment or action by a GAA player in the Republic. There are numerous examples still by officials though. Virtually all football fans of a certain vintage will have firsthand experience of GAA bigotry. Most of it is in the past now.
Staunton's request is a valid one. Home advantage is gained by familiarity with the surroundings. It doesn't have to be a photo op as closed doors training is common in all sports I imagine. Using a game on Feb 3rd to deny access on Feb 5th seems a bit like clutching at straws. International football was played at Lansdowne Road for 106 years and I never heard of an issue between the FAI (or IFA) and IRFU making the press. I would love to see examples of the FAI triumphalism. In fact Delaney et al have said bugger all in efforts to avoid controversy much to the annoyance of some on here who think they should go on the attack re Tallaght.
Well there are quite a few on this thread who clearly dont like GAA folk! And there have been comments from the hierarchy of the FAI about the GAA, but anyway, I've said my piece on it.
With regards to Stauntons request, to try play 2 matches within 7 days in different sports (and one will be the first time so a bit of extra time with regards preparation will be needed), with different pitch requirements, goalposts, advertising etc. and fit in a training session in between, I think is a bit hard to do. I understand that he wants to familiarise the squad with the grounds, but the timing isnt the best and he should understand that. There hasnt been any issue with the IRFU looking for the ground for familiarisation time or anything, so why the FAI (or Stan) is getting annoyed is a bit silly IMO. Anyway, that is a very minor issue, and Fogarty making an issue of it just makes it worse, thats why he's basically been told to shut up by Brennan.
What comments and from Who in the FAI hierarchy?
Can you provide a link to Brennan's comments on Fogarty? I'm very dubious about Brennan to be honest. The fact that he took a Sunday out in the middle of the championship to open Kevin Lynch park for Kevin Lynch GAA club in a ceremony that involved a paramilitary style parade gives an indication where he stands on certain issues.
The GAA match will be over by Feb 5th. A training session can an hour with just bibs and cones. I think it is being very very petty. I very much doubt if the IRFU would have a problem.
I think the reasons why some people on here don't like the GAA are obvious.
Thomas Davis GAA club and Fogarty do a lot of damage.
Sorry for the lack of links, its one thing I dont like myself when people post randome quotes and messages. The comments from someone to do with the FAI was made at the opening ceromny for the Special Olympics, something to do with a ground built on bigotry. I dont have a link or who said it, so take into that whatever you may. All I am trying ot say is that it works both ways.
This is a link about the use of Croke Park for training purposes: http://www.gaa.ie/plugins/newsfeed.c..._data_id=16526
IRFU/FAI 2007 Games
It was agreed that two familiarisation sessions for the Irish Rugby team could take place in Croke Park in late January and training sessions in the week prior to the games. The IRFU had requested this facility. It was explained that a request from the FAI to use Croke Park for a training session on 5th February could not be accommodated because of the Allianz National League game on the 3rd and the Rugby International on the 11th February. It was stated by the President that any request received for an acceptable alternative date would be accommodated.
Nothing too sinister in that IMO.
There was a directive issued by the GAA Central Council that only croke park officials are to comment on the subject from now on, sorry again for the lack of a link.
And I can see why a lot wouldnt like the GAA due to Thomas Davis' actions and that from before too, and I understand that, but they are a small minority in a large organisation. Everyone is being tarred with the one brush and I just dont agree with that.
Where your link belongs?keep it coming....it'll just go to the rubbish page
Anyway Rovers in court about now. Date for next month should be clarified.
KOH
I've yet to see anybody provide any link to any comment by any FAI official on Croke Park that is triumphalist. There is plewnty of guff from people like fogarty, Lynch and Brennan.
The mention of the special olympics was mentioned by Breheny in the Indo. He never named the official or his source. You may recall Humphries in th eTimes making a claim about FAI officials on the plane back from Belfast in 93. I've spoken to 3 people on that flght and his story is crap.
I still fail to understand how a training session on Feb 5th can impact on a game played on Feb 3rd.
This is more important:
Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.
Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.
KOH
Being Paddys w/e it'll also no doubt make it easier for TD's council request yet another delay which is their base tactic anyway!!This is more important:
Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.
Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.
KOH
How thoroughly frustrating is the irish legal system though!??
Koh
Thomas Davis have said they will be the last man standing, they were WRONG!!
SRFC will NEVER die!!
Better all vote FF in the election so that Jimmy Denihan does not become minister for sport or you are screwed. That said can't see FG win the next election so the GAA will be in no better position.Being Paddys w/e it'll also no doubt make it easier for TD's council request yet another delay which is their base tactic anyway!!
How thoroughly frustrating is the irish legal system though!??
Koh
I was at a course given by a barrister recently and he said that a decent barrister can keep a case going for ages (potentially years) by filing motions, getting adjournments etc.This is more important:
Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.
Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.
KOH
Basically it's a game. TD have told their barrister to string it out. Unless Rovers and SDCC put pressure on their barrister to combat these tactics tooth and nail TD are laughing.
I'm what? I'm ants at a picnic?
This is more important:
Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.
Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.
KOH
That's awful news. Another win for the bigots.
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