Garry Kelly coming Home!

**endabob1** · 07/12/2006, 3:06 PM

Fair enough but the comparative names being bandied about are nowhere near the standard of Gary Kelly. The likes of Gareth Farelly, Curtis Fleming & Alan Moore were never more than journemen pro's in England. Kelly played for a club fighting for the title and in the champions league, he was a mainstay of the international team for the best part of 10 years was involved in 2 world cups.
Lets not compare apples and pears here.

**Rossi** · 07/12/2006, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by bawn79

What he said!!
To have a truly sustainable league this is the way to go, sell players when they have been developed at 22-23, they spend 10years abroad and finish their careers in ireland and a percentage move into management.

Agree with players coming homw but selling the best talent we have?

Are you a bar stooler in disguise?

**pineapple stu** · 07/12/2006, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Another 2 words: Curtis Fleming

Was he a failure? Only time I saw him play for Shels was out in Romania, when he was one of their best players and about the only defender not to gift Bucharest a goal. I think Fenlon had one of his strange team selection fits and didn't play him as often as he should have.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 07/12/2006, 4:51 PM

Would be an excellent signing for Drogheda. He proved he can still perform at Championship level so he will be more than able to be a success over here.

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Yeah - that's why Kevin Doyle and Shane Long really struggled over there....

Do you actually think that they would have made the same sort of progress if they were still playing in Ireland?

**bigmac** · 07/12/2006, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rossi

Agree with players coming homw but selling the best talent we have?

Are you a bar stooler in disguise?

Unfortunately, every league in the world bar the Italian, Spanish and English is in the same boat of having to sell their best players. As it stands the players aren't staying until 22/23 because they believe that the only way to get to play in the Premiership is to move to England age 16 or 17. This means that many players go who don't make it but end up at the lower levels of English football. If we can create a situation where it can be seen that the best players in the league are scouted by English clubs, then it might prompt more kids to stay in Ireland to play football when they leave school.
We're always going to lose the best players across the water, the challenge for us is to firstly hold on to those players as long as possible and thus keep the financial rewards within the league here, and secondly to hold on to those players who might not be good enough for top level but are still good players. It's all too easy for a player who doesn't make it at a big club to let his head drop and drift down in to the lower reaches of the league, or perhaps out of football, despite the fact that he might actually be a very good player, in the right environment.
In my opinion, it's a better situation for clubs to sell their best players in their early twenties than to lose them completely when they're 16.

**Soper** · 07/12/2006, 9:03 PM

Really, we should be aiming to attract Irish players from League 2 and the conference in England, and lower teams in the SPL - as well as attracting players that still have much to offer back at the end of their careers, rather than them ending uo at some hell hole like Walsall.

Also, we should be aiming to get players from other similar ranked leagues in Europe, to help add something extra.

**cavan_fan** · 08/12/2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Soper

Also, we should be aiming to get players from other similar ranked leagues in Europe, to help add something extra.

Agree with this, why not get some decent Lativan/Polish players to add some experience.

I'd love to see more Irish players in their 30's coming back think players like Cunningham, Breen, Kavanagh(bit of a push I know), Kilbane could really add off the field.

By the way seeing that Eric Miller played football for Dublin this week shouldnt they really be encouraging Kelly to throw in his lot with Louth!

**BohsFans** · 08/12/2006, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Was he a failure? Only time I saw him play for Shels was out in Romania, when he was one of their best players and about the only defender not to gift Bucharest a goal. I think Fenlon had one of his strange team selection fits and didn't play him as often as he should have.

the question should be was he a success? and the answer is no!

**Risteard** · 09/05/2007, 2:17 PM

With Kelly finished up in Engerland, its strange that this has died down.

**Poor Student** · 09/05/2007, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Risteard

With Kelly finished up in Engerland, its strange that this has died down.

I read he was retiring somewhere.

**galwayhoop** · 09/05/2007, 2:21 PM

and with ken bates saying he was on �5 million a year surely he could now come and play free of charge

**jebus** · 09/05/2007, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I read he was retiring somewhere.

Heard that too, apparantly he's done with football, on the playing side of things at least

**drummerboy** · 09/05/2007, 3:01 PM

Just wondering if it was Kelly who leaked the team against Crystal Palace back in January, Wise said the player in question would never play for Leeds again and Kelly hasn't played since then. Its a pity he is retiring, he would have been a great addition to his home town team.

**jebus** · 09/05/2007, 3:15 PM

Originally Posted by drummerboy

Just wondering if it was Kelly who leaked the team against Crystal Palace back in January, Wise said the player in question would never play for Leeds again and Kelly hasn't played since then. Its a pity he is retiring, he would have been a great addition to his home town team.

Could have been, but I think Leeds didn't play him again because of some clause in his contract, as in he would have been in line for a bonus after one more game

**neville neville** · 09/05/2007, 3:16 PM

�5 million a year for the bottom of the championship. thats criminal...........

**galwayhoop** · 09/05/2007, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by neville neville

�5 million a year for the bottom of the championship. thats criminal...........

yeah but he signed his contract when they were top-ish of the premiership, in regular european competitions and all looked rosy in the garden!! the fault really lies with the club for not safe-guarding themselves by putting relegation and non-european qualification clauses into the contract. all clubs do this nowadays after what happened to leeds!

**superfrank** · 09/05/2007, 3:49 PM

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrosst...p?newsid=27614

I don't think he'll be getting another club anytime fast with that attitude. �5 million ayear is about �96,000 a week. In euros is about €140,000 a week. No way any Irish club would pay that much.

**galwayhoop** · 09/05/2007, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

In euros is about �140,000 a week. No way any Irish club would pay that much.

i think shelbou ... oh sorry, no, you are right no-one could match it

**TonyD** · 09/05/2007, 8:02 PM

Originally Posted by bigmac

Unfortunately, every league in the world bar the Italian, Spanish and English is in the same boat of having to sell their best players. As it stands the players aren't staying until 22/23 because they believe that the only way to get to play in the Premiership is to move to England age 16 or 17. This means that many players go who don't make it but end up at the lower levels of English football. If we can create a situation where it can be seen that the best players in the league are scouted by English clubs, then it might prompt more kids to stay in Ireland to play football when they leave school.
We're always going to lose the best players across the water, the challenge for us is to firstly hold on to those players as long as possible and thus keep the financial rewards within the league here, and secondly to hold on to those players who might not be good enough for top level but are still good players. It's all too easy for a player who doesn't make it at a big club to let his head drop and drift down in to the lower reaches of the league, or perhaps out of football, despite the fact that he might actually be a very good player, in the right environment.
In my opinion, it's a better situation for clubs to sell their best players in their early twenties than to lose them completely when they're 16.

Spot on. That's what we should be aiming for, realistically. Problem is that the best kids are very rarely at our top league clubs. It's not a case of Pats, Bohs, Cork, Derry, etc losing kids at 16. They've never had them to begin with. This is probably the first area where clubs need to improve. Schoolboy clubs are really just breeding the players for export. (They've banned exports of live cattle, but not of schoolboy footballers)