Licensing results out

[steno]

Well if thats the case how on earth have drogheda managed to get a premier licence (again) with less than 300 seats ?

Could it possibly be to due to the fact that FIFA have banned bucket seats?. I don't know I have never been to Finn Harps ground and I am just throwing out a suggestion here.

[kdjaC]

Shels passed with flying colours.

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How? seriously is a Kellogs thing with 8 tokens ??? How the **** can a club that cant pay its players or the Revenue get a licence.


Assume Pats are fine if Shels got one, i know our chairman eats Kellogs Cornflakes.


kdjac

[higgins]

I could understand in the first couple of seasons of this crap that would allow clubs a Licence on the basis they had 'plans' to sort the issues out. No longer should this be acceptable...

Do Drogheda make the seats requirment ?

If they don't and no matter what plans they have for a new stadium they should be put into the first division.

and before people come on about Shels and their licence, I would put Shels in their with them on the basis that they couldn't honestly have a TCC when they have a winding up order out on them? If they do then someone please explain to me how ?

[BohsFans]

Could it possibly be to due to the fact that FIFA have banned bucket seats?. I don't know I have never been to Finn Harps ground and I am just throwing out a suggestion here.

What are you talking about? Banning bucket seats? That would only leave terraces open!!
Drogs have concrete plans to move to a brand new all seater venue and that's enough to get you a license!!

[steno]

Was looking throught the infrastructure requirements on the licensing document (pg49 in the link). Can't find a seating requirement but still some interesting reading. Will have a better look tomorrow after the FAI cup Final, its late and i'm a bit drunk!http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/358508.pdf

[Celdrog]

Do Drogheda make the seats requirment ?
If they don't and no matter what plans they have for a new stadium they should be put into the first division.

Oh the irony!!!! Shelbourne dictating again. Higgins, when you are not in trouble with the revenue and you are able to consistently pay your players then you can question other clubs. Until then stay out of this arguement. Kildare and Craptown are welcome to ask the question

We have been told that after 2007 United Park is not good enough for a Premier division licence. The new stadium plans (which are now concrete) is what gives us this licence.
If the stadium is not ready for the 2008 season, then we will have to play in a different stadium (while still maintaining a premier licence). United Park was up to UEFA standard this season but we would only have been allowed 400 into the matches, so we went to Dalymount

Think about it - how many seats do Rovers have?? 0 or 10,000?

[steno]

UEFA document appears to be aiming for 2008 alright.

[Philly]

Just off the phone to a KCFC board member.

We got full marks in four out of the five criteria. It was the saeting and alectrical requirements that let us down. Full marks on youth development, finance etc...

The board member was asked not to announce the license until after the FAI Cup Final which is weird.

He was sympathetic to Limerick but thinks it will be sorted.

As for KCFC, the future looks bright, the future looks black and while...

[onceahoop]

For what it's worth, I was talking to the FAI on Thursday and brought up the licencing farce. They were adamant that it was being properly administered (as I actually agree it is, within its own definition). I mentioned that clubs were going into liquidation, getting winding up orders and failing to pay their players. The FAI noted that licencing had actually brought to the surface the issues which are now being dealt with by the Revenue (honest to God!) and that no club had outstanding payables at all under the definition, which was that (a) a wage had to be outstanding in the end of year audited accounts, (b) consent in writing from the player had to be missing and (c) they were given a year to pay off any such unconsenting outstanding payables. Something ridiculously fudgey like that. Licencing is utterly utterly meaningless. It really is a disgrace.

Stu, I think you've said it all. FAI doublespeak to get them out of a hole with Shels. There are loopholes everywhere to get them (FAI) out of jail. What a f****n joke.

[steno]

Just off the phone to a KCFC board member.

We got full marks in four out of the five criteria. It was the saeting and alectrical requirements that let us down. Full marks on youth development, finance etc...

The board member was asked not to announce the license until after the FAI Cup Final which is weird.

He was sympathetic to Limerick but thinks it will be sorted.

As for KCFC, the future looks bright, the future looks black and while...

Yeah apparentlly the FAI are not going to announce the results until they are satisfied that all clubs have received notification so about a week after the results were sent out .

[Philly]

Well it was in the Star today!

[steno]

What are you talking about? Banning bucket seats? That would only leave terraces open!!
Drogs have concrete plans to move to a brand new all seater venue and that's enough to get you a license!!

Thats true sorry wasn't thinking straight. Like I said throwing out a suggestion (a stupid one at that)

But Finn Harps also have plans for a move to a new stadium.

[OneRedArmy]

For what it's worth, I was talking to the FAI on Thursday and brought up the licencing farce. They were adamant that it was being properly administered (as I actually agree it is, within its own definition). I mentioned that clubs were going into liquidation, getting winding up orders and failing to pay their players. The FAI noted that licencing had actually brought to the surface the issues which are now being dealt with by the Revenue (honest to God!) and that no club had outstanding payables at all under the definition, which was that (a) a wage had to be outstanding in the end of year audited accounts, (b) consent in writing from the player had to be missing and (c) they were given a year to pay off any such unconsenting outstanding payables. Something ridiculously fudgey like that. Licencing is utterly utterly meaningless. It really is a disgrace.

Absolutely correct Stu.

So hypothetically you can have a situation where a club gets a license on a Monday due to having previous years TCC and audited accounts and is then wound up on the Tuesday due to subsequent breaches of regulations.

Just a suggestion, but would it not be an idea to synchronise licensing/financial years ends and the TCC at calendar year end to avoid this anomoly arising?

[pete]

I think its clear now that little chance of a 22nd team will be joining next season. In fact we'll be lucky to keep the exisiting 21. No non-league team could come up with the licencing requirements in such short space of time.

[jebus]

First off Gael my source was the always reliable Daily Mirror but I assume for Limerick to get a write up in the national press they would have had to have been contacted in regards to this story, and Limerick FC would have then been the ones that leaked the story.

On the Shels debate, well I'm not surprised the FAI have passed them, becuase if I was in charge I would too. The sole reason for this being, that the FAI are trying to market this new league to fans of the English Premier, people who normally don't care a jot about the Eircom League. Now how would it look to them if Shelbourne (who trust me are seen as the biggest club in Ireland to said lay fans) aren't in this new league? That couple with the no promotion/relegation ongoing debacle would probably sink this new league in the minds of the English Premier supporting Irish fan

[4tothefloor]

maybe its to pressure glug glug Fr Joe/John O'Shaugnessy into getting their fingers out

What's JOS got to do with it?

First off Gael my source was the always reliable Daily Mirror but I assume for Limerick to get a write up in the national press they would have had to have been contacted in regards to this story, and Limerick FC would have then been the ones that leaked the story.

On the Shels debate, well I'm not surprised the FAI have passed them, becuase if I was in charge I would too. The sole reason for this being, that the FAI are trying to market this new league to fans of the English Premier, people who normally don't care a jot about the Eircom League. Now how would it look to them if Shelbourne (who trust me are seen as the biggest club in Ireland to said lay fans) aren't in this new league? That couple with the no promotion/relegation ongoing debacle would probably sink this new league in the minds of the English Premier supporting Irish fan

Firstly, everything that's coming out of 'Limerick FC' seems to be a load of BS. First the Poles, and where did this local businessman that was also mentioned disappear to? What's going on at the club is both tiresome and a joke. It all points to desperation. There's definately a tv series or book in this, you couldn't make it up.

Regarding Shels, you're right jebus. The FAI are not going to put the league champions and their Champions League representative/hope in the first division. It'd make a joke of the whole thing before it'd have even started. So people are going to have to bite their tongues on this one for the coming season anyway. The proof of the pudding will be in 2008 which is the UEFA target date for all licencing issues to be in line.

[higgins]

Now how would it look to them if Shelbourne (who trust me are seen as the biggest club in Ireland to said lay fans) aren't in this new league?

Well it might make thing look like they actually do give a flying **** and that they will act on what they say ?

How many fans have walked away over the last few seasons due to all the messing. If the FAI got serious then maybe we would get people to come back.

I've little or no faith in this sytem anymore. They should do as they say and kick clubs out.

[higgins]

Oh the irony!!!! Shelbourne dictating again. Higgins, when you are not in trouble with the revenue and you are able to consistently pay your players then you can question other clubs. Until then stay out of this arguement.

Do you read full posts or are you selective in what suits you ?

Go back and read my post again before you have a go. NEVER have I claimed Shelbourne were entitled or deserved a Premier Licence and besides, I don't work for Shels or have anything to do with how they conduct their business so my thoughts on Drogheda and their licence are exactly that, MY THOUGHTS....

[Peadar]

It has been confirmed that Cork City FC were awarded their Premier Licence.

[Macy]

It really is a farce. Shels getting a licence with an outstanding Winding Up order is obviously the biggest joke. Regardless of whether it will be withdrawn, which can't be a certaintly given it's their 3rd, it shouldn't have been issued until such time as it was revenue withdraw it. However bad it is for the FAI not to issue a licence to their champions, where does it leave the image of the league if they are in administration within weeks of getting one "with flying colours".

If Harps were genuinely turned down on the seat issue, yet Drogs got there's based on future plans then thats another major inconsistency. Harps are more advanced than Drogs when it comes to the new ground. (Notwithstanding the fact that 1500 covered seats has actually been a premier division "rule" since the late 90's ).