Time To Rethink On Summer Football

**the grape vine** · 05/12/2006, 1:28 PM

i agreed about not changing it to accomdate a few, but would you not agreed that it would make the weaker rural teams in mayo alot stronger,and would have larger squad's to compete against the celtic,westport's of the league...

**The Don** · 05/12/2006, 1:53 PM

I realise that the teams would be stonger, but more skillful would be more to my liking.

**swift** · 06/12/2006, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by swinfordfc

The super league is ruin by one club in my eyes Celtic (in the last year only) - getting players moving all over the place - s+f utd gone this year because of them and snugboro will be gone next year due to they players going there. thats what i think is ruining mayo soccer - now westport have one foreign player

summer soccer is great for the players - where would you get a pitch in the county playable in this weather?

by the way congrats to mayo ladies team only 3 years in existence and already all ireland champs

Yet again you are talking rubbish!!!!!. To come on this forum and suggest that S+F went down because of Celtic is laughable to say the least. S+F were courting relegation long before Neary went to Celtic and while youre at it why dont you blame Manulla for that as well after all didnt they sign Paul Fitzpatrick. Next you'll be saying that Swinford didnt get promoted because Gary Price signed for the Celts as well, not mentioning that Swinford couldnt beat Celtics B team

**swinfordfc** · 06/12/2006, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by swift

Yet again you are talking rubbish!!!!!. To come on this forum and suggest that S+F went down because of Celtic is laughable to say the least. S+F were courting relegation long before Neary went to Celtic and while youre at it why dont you blame Manulla for that as well after all didnt they sign Paul Fitzpatrick. Next you'll be saying that Swinford didnt get promoted because Gary Price signed for the Celts as well, not mentioning that Swinford couldnt beat Celtics B team

Swinford didn't get promoted cause they were not good enough swift full stop. so your saying its ok for celtic to sign who they want - ye are throwing alot of money about the place at present - ye sign neary and also tried to sign gaughan but he went back playing gaa for knockmore, its easy to win a title when you get the best players from around the county and outside it, remember this is ye first title since 2001 long time to be waiting for the supposing best team in mayo wont you think, now tell me this - do you think snugboro will stay up with flynn, duffy and collins gone? i tell you the answer for you

, they havent a hope! 3 big players gone from they just to served dykes. dykes is after one thing - to win the FAI Junior Cup cause celtic are mad that westport won it before them and that erris had won a national title as well (under 18 youths cup) and celtic have won NONE. now put your toys back in your cot

**theboy** · 06/12/2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by swinfordfc

Swinford didn't get promoted cause they were not good enough swift full stop. so your saying its ok for celtic to sign who they want - ye are throwing alot of money about the place at present - ye sign neary and also tried to sign gaughan but he went back playing gaa for knockmore, its easy to win a title when you get the best players from around the county and outside it, remember this is ye first title since 2001 long time to be waiting for the supposing best team in mayo wont you think, now tell me this - do you think snugboro will stay up with flynn, duffy and collins gone? i tell you the answer for you

, they havent a hope! 3 big players gone from they just to served dykes. dykes is after one thing - to win the FAI Junior Cup cause celtic are mad that westport won it before them and that erris had won a national title as well (under 18 youths cup) and celtic have won NONE. now put your toys back in your cot

Well said "swindford fc" have to say i agree with you 100%...
S&F werent in trouble prior to neary of fitzpatrick but when you lose main players you cant cope. and snugb will find out exactly what that is like next season. gaughan is ment to be goin back to S&F this year but has been asked to go to westport & celtic. if you ask me the super league is turning into a joke, clubs taken players from there clubs, with the way its going there will be no youth castlebar players making the senior team as they'll all be outsiders and there'll be no local youths playing for there local team as they'll all be moving from club to club.

**pixiehead** · 06/12/2006, 3:07 PM

Can i just set the record straight on this. And then i will tell everybody to get back in the proper mayo forum to dicuss mayo football. Collins Duffy and Flynn are not the be all and end all of Snugboro. If a player dose not have an alligance to a club then we are better off with out them. Boro have plenty of young players coming through the ranks who were not givin a chance this season. But things have changed and a brand new fresh boro team will emerge nexdt year. A hungry team that will stay up. I have good time for the players who left but unfortunatley when things go pear shaped for them at celtic ( and they will) they will not be welcome back in Conway park and its nothing personal!! But thats the feeling in the camp.

**swinfordfc** · 06/12/2006, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by pixiehead

Can i just set the record straight on this. And then i will tell everybody to get back in the proper mayo forum to dicuss mayo football. Collins Duffy and Flynn are not the be all and end all of Snugboro. If a player dose not have an alligance to a club then we are better off with out them. Boro have plenty of young players coming through the ranks who were not givin a chance this season. But things have changed and a brand new fresh boro team will emerge nexdt year. A hungry team that will stay up. I have good time for the players who left but unfortunatley when things go pear shaped for them at celtic ( and they will) they will not be welcome back in Conway park and its nothing personal!! But thats the feeling in the camp.

if this is the case then all the best and hope ye do stayed up this year and actually push on to mid table - it be a good way to send a message to the lads that jump ship

**swift** · 07/12/2006, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by swinfordfc

Swinford didn't get promoted cause they were not good enough swift full stop. so your saying its ok for celtic to sign who they want - ye are throwing alot of money about the place at present - ye sign neary and also tried to sign gaughan but he went back playing gaa for knockmore, its easy to win a title when you get the best players from around the county and outside it, remember this is ye first title since 2001 long time to be waiting for the supposing best team in mayo wont you think, now tell me this - do you think snugboro will stay up with flynn, duffy and collins gone? i tell you the answer for you

, they havent a hope! 3 big players gone from they just to served dykes. dykes is after one thing - to win the FAI Junior Cup cause celtic are mad that westport won it before them and that erris had won a national title as well (under 18 youths cup) and celtic have won NONE. now put your toys back in your cot

So your axe to grind is the fact that you dont like clubs signing players from other clubs. Is the onus not on the player to be big enough to say no to the move. Even the dogs on the street know **MOD EDIT:LEAVE IT OUT** but yet nearly everyone he asks to sign for Celtic ends up signing. You see players as a rule of thumb like to look back on their career and say what they've won and if they feel that they have a better chance at Celtic then so be it. Now some of his signings have been strange to say the least judging by the players he told to go but the signings of players from other clubs is nothing new to the Mayo league. If I were to mention Manulla, as they were the biggest club to practice this but because its Celtic here people are bleating on about it. In fairness Celtic did go about some of these in an underhand way but it still went on before Dykes' arrival. Futhermore to your statment that the Superleague is a joke because of Celtic is a joke in itself. There are only the Top Four that really push each other every year so wheres the other clubs and that in itself is rare. Ballyheane start off every year like a house on fire and this year they were nearly relegated, Manulla who have some gifted players can throw a game and get away with it no problem, and where we have a Premier Division where the fifth placed team can get promoted so I dont think its fair that you can lay all the blame at our door. Personally I dont have a problem with players that want to better themselves and play at a good standard but according to you and your buddy thats wrong

**swift** · 07/12/2006, 12:43 AM

Anyway D flynn came to Snugboro from BBB so its not the first time this player has moved

**swinfordfc** · 07/12/2006, 8:19 AM

Originally Posted by swift

So your axe to grind is the fact that you dont like clubs signing players from other clubs. Is the onus not on the player to be big enough to say no to the move. Even the dogs on the street know ****************but yet nearly everyone he asks to sign for Celtic ends up signing. You see players as a rule of thumb like to look back on their career and say what they've won and if they feel that they have a better chance at Celtic then so be it. Now some of his signings have been strange to say the least judging by the players he told to go but the signings of players from other clubs is nothing new to the Mayo league. If I were to mention Manulla, as they were the biggest club to practice this but because its Celtic here people are bleating on about it. In fairness Celtic did go about some of these in an underhand way but it still went on before Dykes' arrival. Futhermore to your statment that the Superleague is a joke because of Celtic is a joke in itself. There are only the Top Four that really push each other every year so wheres the other clubs and that in itself is rare. Ballyheane start off every year like a house on fire and this year they were nearly relegated, Manulla who have some gifted players can throw a game and get away with it no problem, and where we have a Premier Division where the fifth placed team can get promoted so I dont think its fair that you can lay all the blame at our door. Personally I dont have a problem with players that want to better themselves and play at a good standard but according to you and your buddy thats wrong

No listen i have no problem with players joining your club or any club for that fact to be honest but just the way some of these deals are done - thats my worry - celtic have no reason to get players in to be quite honest cause they have better players at under 18 level that can be brought up to the junior like the two o'boyle, minouge and pat fitz. to be honest the way dykes is going he push your home grown talent out with his other signings. but we all know that celtic will be putting in a under 21 league team next year so prehaps that how they be keeping the under age players happy? well is that true?

**renovater** · 07/12/2006, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by BallBreaker

Clare Schoolboys are going Summer soccer in 2007 and i expect Clare Junior league to follow suit within the next 2 years....

Be careful have you recieved permision from The S.F.A.I. IF you have it can only be a poilet scheme

**renovater** · 07/12/2006, 8:57 PM

Originally Posted by swinfordfc

Swinford didn't get promoted cause they were not good enough swift full stop. so your saying its ok for celtic to sign who they want - ye are throwing alot of money about the place at present - ye sign neary and also tried to sign gaughan but he went back playing gaa for knockmore, its easy to win a title when you get the best players from around the county and outside it, remember this is ye first title since 2001 long time to be waiting for the supposing best team in mayo wont you think, now tell me this - do you think snugboro will stay up with flynn, duffy and collins gone? i tell you the answer for you

, they havent a hope! 3 big players gone from they just to served dykes. dykes is after one thing - to win the FAI Junior Cup cause celtic are mad that westport won it before them and that erris had won a national title as well (under 18 youths cup) and celtic have won NONE. now put your toys back in your cot

Sorry lads this thread is about summer football not kiljoy of football the Gray one

**renovater** · 07/12/2006, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by swift

So your axe to grind is the fact that you dont like clubs signing players from other clubs. Is the onus not on the player to be big enough to say no to the move. Even the dogs on the street know **MOD EDIT:LEAVE IT OUT** but yet nearly everyone he asks to sign for Celtic ends up signing. You see players as a rule of thumb like to look back on their career and say what they've won and if they feel that they have a better chance at Celtic then so be it. Now some of his signings have been strange to say the least judging by the players he told to go but the signings of players from other clubs is nothing new to the Mayo league. If I were to mention Manulla, as they were the biggest club to practice this but because its Celtic here people are bleating on about it. In fairness Celtic did go about some of these in an underhand way but it still went on before Dykes' arrival. Futhermore to your statment that the Superleague is a joke because of Celtic is a joke in itself. There are only the Top Four that really push each other every year so wheres the other clubs and that in itself is rare. Ballyheane start off every year like a house on fire and this year they were nearly relegated, Manulla who have some gifted players can throw a game and get away with it no problem, and where we have a Premier Division where the fifth placed team can get promoted so I dont think its fair that you can lay all the blame at our door. Personally I dont have a problem with players that want to better themselves and play at a good standard but according to you and your buddy thats wrong

with all due respect you should have this thread on mayo while I may agree with what you are saying put it on the mayo thread and I will comment.

**renovater** · 07/12/2006, 9:16 PM

Lads I ask the question Why dont other league's play summer football if everyone think's its the bee's knee's
We still havn't answer the welfare problem of players who are steadly getting burnt out. while I agree that summer football is best only if everyone else takes part.
in 12years we only one tittle we have fail at county level so whats next.
If Celtic pull it off its due to the numbers that have left other clubs.
this has nothing to do with standards.
Lets not get carried away with the reasant wheather,we still have to play in winter whealther we like it or not,thats if we intend to win external cups.
So I take it Mayo Clubs are gone soft we are only sun shine clubs.
Well lads its time to take stock either we are sun shine clubs or we are men who play in all wheathers.
at the end of the day we play in all seasons from spring -to winter so where is summer football?

**short_frank** · 08/12/2006, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by renovater

Lads I ask the question Why dont other league's play summer football if everyone think's its the bee's knee's
We still havn't answer the welfare problem of players who are steadly getting burnt out. while I agree that summer football is best only if everyone else takes part.
in 12years we only one tittle we have fail at county level so whats next.
If Celtic pull it off its due to the numbers that have left other clubs.
this has nothing to do with standards.
Lets not get carried away with the reasant wheather,we still have to play in winter whealther we like it or not,thats if we intend to win external cups.
So I take it Mayo Clubs are gone soft we are only sun shine clubs.
Well lads its time to take stock either we are sun shine clubs or we are men who play in all wheathers.
at the end of the day we play in all seasons from spring -to winter so where is summer football?

I really cannot understand where you are coming from. In one sentence you are all for summer soccer the next it is a total waste. You say in twelve years we have one title at county level, how many did we have before that?
We are not just concentrating on the recent weather but rather the normal winter weather. You say are we men who should be able to play in all weathers but you won't be togging out.
Look as was pointed out before the "12 month season" only concerns an odd club and they are the bigger clubs with the squads to be able to absorb the situation. For the rest of us summer soccer is ideal as we get to play in generally good conditions and therefore able to play a better brand of football. The league is about all clubs not an elite few so we cannot change to suit those few.
The situation with summer soccer will change around the country (admittedly it is painstakingly slow) but I see that even Sepp Blatter is on about winter breaks.

**renovater** · 11/12/2006, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by short_frank

I really cannot understand where you are coming from. In one sentence you are all for summer soccer the next it is a total waste. You say in twelve years we have one title at county level, how many did we have before that?
We are not just concentrating on the recent weather but rather the normal winter weather. You say are we men who should be able to play in all weathers but you won't be togging out.
Look as was pointed out before the "12 month season" only concerns an odd club and they are the bigger clubs with the squads to be able to absorb the situation. For the rest of us summer soccer is ideal as we get to play in generally good conditions and therefore able to play a better brand of football. The league is about all clubs not an elite few so we cannot change to suit those few.
The situation with summer soccer will change around the country (admittedly it is painstakingly slow) but I see that even Sepp Blatter is on about winter breaks.

Sepp Blatter has over look one small point his season from Febuary to November.you must remember we have Euro finals and world cup to make room for as well.which would not fit into his season unless you play it in November to Febuary Which I doubt.As for my views on Summer football I never said just tried to give both sides. however if you are asking my view was always summer with the hope of other leagues coming in. but since there is no hope of that happening I would rather see change and return to some form of winter football which might meet all partys half way.
At the end of the day its down to the clubs if they want change or not, all I am doing is raising the question.