Cup Final ticket Sales - Update

**forza** · 29/11/2006, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Name me one team in a recent final that didn't sell tickets that greatly exceeded its average home support ??

Fair point about historical support base though. I guess I made the mistake of assuming Pats were a decent-sized club with a decent-size support.

No we're like you lot. Less blow ins though

**wws** · 29/11/2006, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Name me one team in a recent final that didn't sell tickets that greatly exceeded its average home support ??

Fair point about historical support base though. I guess I made the mistake of assuming Pats were a decent-sized club with a decent-size support.

you must be a blow in steve if u dont know the size of our support (one of teh best in the LoI as it happens)

but nowhere near 4,000 weekly regulars in any season ive attended games

**forza** · 29/11/2006, 5:09 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

But I'm saying the opposite - that the crowd does matter. If we can't even attract a good crowd to our showpiece event - particularly when one of the teams playing is local - then that sends out a bad signal about our league.

It Pats were bringing a much bigger crowd your tune would fairly change no doubt....

No I wouldnt I dont care how many go once we win end of.

One game is not gonna change public preception

**Kildare Lad** · 29/11/2006, 5:25 PM

Are Pats seriously only bringing around 4,000 fans? If so, I would be very dissapointed with this, I see where the Derry fans are coming from.

Like your in your own town, and u can only bring that many fans? that is poor....

**forza** · 29/11/2006, 5:26 PM

Its not our town

**Kildare Lad** · 29/11/2006, 5:31 PM

well you know what i mean! County!

**Dodge** · 29/11/2006, 5:44 PM

Originally Posted by wws

you must be a blow in steve if u dont know the size of our support (one of teh best in the LoI as it happens)

but nowhere near 4,000 weekly regulars in any season ive attended games

Late 80s they did (easily, and more) but even at the start of last season there was less than 1,000 people at the Derry Pats game (but we're not a big draw so it doens't count for steve apparently). Maybe you were away for these seasons steve (note the plural)

Originally Posted by Kildare Lad

Are Pats seriously only bringing around 4,000 fans?

The point the Pats fans here are making is that none of us have a clue how many we'll bring and some of us are erring on the side of caution. IN the Tolka Park finals the ground wasn't full once, yet people here talk about bring 8/9,000 to games. Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k and every club's fans have (and continue to) grossly exagerate their corwds. Pats don't. Our official figures are available to everybody through our website. If we bring 4,500 to a cup final thats 3 times our average crowd, which by any stretch is a good achievement.

If we were winning leagues we'd be touching on the biggest support in the country (as happened not so long ago) as we have a decent suppport base BUT thats it. A maximum of 5,000 people care what happens Pats to any degree. More or less the same as every other Dublin club and only the idiots and wafflers can argue with this. This will be my last post in this thread as I'm fed up with people having pie in the sky notions of how big this league is

**Kildare Lad** · 29/11/2006, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

The point the Pats fans here are making is that none of us have a clue how many we'll bring and some of us are erring on the side of caution. IN the Tolka Park finals the ground wasn't full once, yet people here talk about bring 8/9,000 to games. Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k and every club's fans have (and continue to) grossly exagerate their corwds. Pats don't. Our official figures are available to everybody through our website. If we bring 4,500 to a cup final thats 3 times our average crowd, which by any stretch is a good achievement.

If we were winning leagues we'd be touching on the biggest support in the country (as happened not so long ago) as we have a decent suppport base BUT thats it. A maximum of 5,000 people care what happens Pats to any degree. More or less the same as every other Dublin club and only the idiots and wafflers can argue with this. This will be my last post in this thread as I'm fed up with people having pie in the sky notions of how big this league is

Ok, thank you

**micls** · 29/11/2006, 6:21 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Is it really worth arguing the toss over who has the most bandwagon jumpers (when we all know that Cork is clearly the answer to that question

)

And proud of it.....now we just gotta convince them to come to the rest of the games.

In fairnes i think Drogheda might actually have taken that title based on the cup finals

**micls** · 29/11/2006, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k

Untrue. With all the standing area around the ground it held a good bit more than 7k- and always room to queeze one more in

There was definately more than that at the last game against Derry last year although nowhere near 10k.

Completely beside the point anyway.

fact is all EL clubs attendences are rubbish. Derry are coming off the back of a fantastic season where they were the talk of the town and country because of the European run. of course they will get more bandwagoners for the day out.

We brought well over 10k to last years final...the feelgood factor.

How many were back this year when we badly needed the money?
The attendence in a one off game a near doesn't matter a damn if the clubs can't figure out a way to get them off their asses for the rest of the year.

**Dr.Nightdub** · 29/11/2006, 7:48 PM

I fail to see see why people expect Pats fans to apologise for the laziness / lack of interest of the non-Pats-following Dublin football public.

Our all-time record home attendance was 7098, back in April '99 in what was effectively a League decider against Cork. Of that, I'd guess that Cork brought anywhere between 1000-1500 so even when we were the best team in the country, the fairweather brigade could only swell our numbers to 6000.

We're a long way from best in the country now. Check the attendances thread, I think our average this season was around 1400-1500. I'm assuming that all of them will turn up on Sunday, any occasion-junkies (no pun intended) on top of that is a bonus.

Then throw in the fact that the bookies, most neutrals and many Pats fans (me included) all reckon we haven't a prayer and why would non-regulars with at best a passing interest in Pats bother their holes going to a game that they think we're gonna lose anyway?

The short-distance argument is totally irrelevant. Lansdowne was the same distance from home for me last Sunday as it'll be next Sunday, but I didn't bother going to see Ireland v Pacific Islands in the rugby simply cos I've no interest in rugby no matter who's playing. The same logic applies to the Cup Final, unless for some bizarre reason non-Dubliners expect people to go stand in the cold for two hours to watch something they've no interest in - just cos it's handy? That just defies belief.

The real issue isn't whether Pats can magic up a few thousand new fans out of nowhere between now and Sunday. The real issue is why the idiots in Merrion Square persist with this nonsense of staging what's meant to be their "showcase event" in a stadium that will at best be half full.

**Peadar** · 29/11/2006, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k and every club's fans have (and continue to) grossly exagerate their corwds.

Thought you said you were in Turners Cross on a Saturday in 1998, when over 11,000 paid in? Before we had seats in the St. Anne's end and on the Derrynane side. Our "seated" capacity will be in the region of 7,000 when the new stand is finished. Do you have difficulty comprehending how making the ground all seated can reduce the official capacity?

**ciarandcfc** · 29/11/2006, 8:59 PM

it said on tele txt that derry are bringing 10,000 fans
i've heard we've sold about 6k tickets

it also said on the bbc news that pats have only sold 800 tickets

**Dodge** · 29/11/2006, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by ciarandcfc

it said on tele txt that derry are bringing 10,000 fans
i've heard we've sold about 6k tickets

it also said on the bbc news that pats have only sold 800 tickets

Well thats completely wrong...

And Peadar there's a huge difference betweena reported 11,000 and an actual 11,000