Andy Reid's position

**eirebhoy** · 11/12/2006, 10:28 AM

Doesn't sound odd at all. I'd be very, very suprised if Charlton were relegated.

**Da-Mini** · 11/12/2006, 7:39 PM

Andy Reid is possibly the most over-rated player Ireland have had. Alongside Kevin Kilbane.

**eirebhoy** · 11/12/2006, 10:02 PM

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid.

I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

**The Legend** · 11/12/2006, 10:17 PM

Reid reminds me more of John Sheridan (talented... but gives the impression of being unfit/lazy and sometimes desperately unlucky!)

**cavan_fan** · 12/12/2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Doesn't sound odd at all. I'd be very, very suprised if Charlton were relegated.

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be

**drinkfeckarse** · 12/12/2006, 11:38 AM

They certainly have a mountain to climb and I don't know if they have enough quality to score more than the likes of the teams mentioned. I think it's 3 of Sheff Utd, Watford, Charlton, West Ham and Fulham.

**eirebhoy** · 12/12/2006, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be

Put it that way and you've changed my mind.

It shows that the premiership is actually a very strong league if a team like Charlton are favourites to go down. They don't seem like a weak team to me. I even look at the table when saying that but I certainly wouldn't have thought Charlton would get relegated at the start of the season.

Boro would probably be the most likely of the teams you mentioned.

**paul_oshea** · 12/12/2006, 2:00 PM

does anybody really care for fulham either way? i wouldnt mind them going down....plus no irish players on the first 11.

is that timlin lad still with them

**drinkfeckarse** · 12/12/2006, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

is that timlin lad still with them

Yeah he's still there but in the final year of his contract as far as I can recall. I play with a guy who was at Fulham a couple of years ago and I asked him about Michael a few weeks ago.

He spoke highly enough of him, said he had a bit of bother with injuries in the past but didn't see anything extra in him that gave the impression he could be a major player for the first team. I personally have never seen Timlin play so I can't comment at all.

**livehead1** · 12/12/2006, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

**drinkfeckarse** · 12/12/2006, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

Villa while not having world class players have plenty of quality in Mellberg, Barry, Baros, Petrov, Davis, Bouma, Laursen and 1 or 2 more. You're right though in that O'Neill has got them applying themselves again instead of being down in the doldrums.

**cavan_fan** · 12/12/2006, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

Villa have Martin O'Neill and a lot of money to spend in the New Year. I suspect Pardew will go to Charlton but he took quite a while to get things moving at West Ham where he had some good young players.

Charlton's line up v Spurs

Carson, Young, Diawara, El Karkouri, Hreidarsson, Sam, Kishishev (Rommedahl 53), Faye, Hughes, Reid (Hasselbaink 67), Darren Bent.
Subs Not Used: Myhre, Holland, Fortune.

The phrase pig's ear comes to mind. There's a lot of oldish players who've never really achieved (Diawara, El Karkouri, Kishishev, Faye, Rommendahl). Then they have Hasselbaink who's a row waiting to happen, Darren Bent suffering 2nd season syndrome and Reid (who is odds on to be injured soon). If I was Pardew I'd take the job expecting relegation and then rebuilding.

Is this getting off topic?

**kingdom hoop** · 12/12/2006, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Is this getting off topic?

All depends what we read(sorry) into 'position'.. clearly he plays midfield but you can also say he is in a difficult position in playing for a struggling club with no manager and one decent player(bent) to pass the ball to. at least he's getting a bit of coverage for being the shining light in a bad team, who i think will get relegated. both fulham and west ham can play with some panache(i.e. have a little bit of quality) whereas charlton, bar andy, look devoid of ideas and inspiration to the point that their fans must be frustrated and probably feel they will get relegated, putting andy in a tough 'position'.
If you start talking sex positions cavan then it is stretching things a little, lets keep it to football!!

**Da-Mini** · 15/12/2006, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid.

I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

I didnt say he was a bad player. Im just saying that he is EXTREMELY OVERRATED. I dont think he should be startin now. Presuming everybodys fit id have S.Reid, Carsley, Duff and McGeady. A.Reid on da bench
Agree with wot u said bout Kilbane though

**hoops1** · 15/12/2006, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid.

I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

On what I have seen so far I wouldnt rate Reid either. Kilbane has a football brain but not alot of ability. You dont play over 50 times in international football and not have a football brain. Id rather have Kilbane in my side than
Reid. With Kilbane you know what your going to get. Huge Heart and honesty of effort for every game of the season. With Reid god only knows. If Reid was English noone here would pay any attention to him. He is mediocre at best

**eirebhoy** · 15/12/2006, 5:37 PM

Originally Posted by hoops1

On what I have seen so far I wouldnt rate Reid either. Kilbane has a football brain but not alot of ability.

If Kilbane had a football brain we would have been a lot more successful in Cyprus. He gives 100% and is an excellent man marker when playing in central midfield but he's no good at positioning himself, making the right pass, etc. Roy Keane is an example of a player with a fantastic football brain but not the most technically gifted.

Reid is the type of player that gets a lot of respect from teammates because of his intelligience. He's finally getting a decent run at a decent level and hopefully he stays injury free for the rest of the season.

**kingdom hoop** · 15/12/2006, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by hoops1

If Reid was English noone here would pay any attention to him.

?? the website is foot.ie and the topic is entitled ireland, terrible point in your argument to begin with.

reid was first choice midfielder at spurs beginning of last season for bout 10 games before he got injured. has anyone here ever paid attention to carrick, jenas or lennon?? oh wait they're english so..........hoops1??

reid was easily one of the best players in the championship(division 1?) for a couple of years at forest at a very youn age, lighting up the league before spurs finally captured his signature after lengthy negotiations for something like 4-6m(?).

he has now moved on to charlton, been given a good run in the team where effectively he has all the responsibility to orchestrate things and has responded superbly. the guy is 25 has had plenty of personal issues and is now being criticised after putting his head down and getting on with his career.

plus some of the goals he's scored..one at forest in particular, hopefully someone can find it in(on) the net..kilbane most likely will pick it up and while he's down there he may as well tie andy's laces

mediocre? no way.

debate on his position will rumble on though

**tricky_colour** · 18/12/2006, 1:26 PM

Andy Reid is in the Actim top 100 at number 92.
http://download.howden.press.net/act...dex_top100.pdf

**republicofwhite** · 18/12/2006, 2:02 PM

One of only three Charlton players there, including Bent and Carson, i.e. the players who are too good for Charlton. Paddy Kenny makes a notable appearance! Justification for his supporters!

**tricky_colour** · 18/12/2006, 4:31 PM

There are actually 8 Irish players in the top 100, which is as good as I can remember for a long time. Especially when you consider some of the players not there ie Duff, Given and Keane (our best 3 players?) and Carr