shels players looking to have contrats anulled

**chippie0001** · 10/11/2006, 1:01 PM

Lads, no matter how much trouble Ollie and Shels are in they do have a lot of cash coming their way when they leave Tolka. Not for one minute do I believe its �25m though as we were told during the ground sharing negotiations how much was up on offer. That was also meant to have been vetted by the FAI as legit.

So Ollie does have cash coming, just not enough to get a new stadium on his own, or even do much with a stadium. Unless he groundshares with someone he has no grants coming. So he will have to blow the cash on the team still, then they will have nothing.

**pineapple stu** · 10/11/2006, 1:05 PM

He'll at least lose it a lot faster with smaller crowds (a possibility in, say, Santry) and no rent from Rovers (touch wood). And if his team breaks up this year, they may not win the title next year, which would hit the pocket again.

**Student Mullet** · 10/11/2006, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by chippie0001

That was also meant to have been vetted by the FAI as legit.

Oh, well then we can rest easy.

**NY Hoop** · 10/11/2006, 3:52 PM

We'll be back in tolka again next season. Shels are some way off from leaving tolka and indeed from going to Santry. The move from tolka is dependent on planning permission being approved and this wont happen until they get a lease for Santry.

KOH

**John83** · 10/11/2006, 4:05 PM

Interesting to see the figures mentioned in the article. I hadn't thought they'd so much of a lifeline left. Still, it's disappearing fast. At their current rate, Tolka won't keep them afloat for too many years more.

**R�iteoir** · 10/11/2006, 4:21 PM

Small Clubs with Small Minds > Broke Clubs with Huge Taxbills

**Sliog�n D�ite** · 10/11/2006, 10:28 PM

24x7x52x365

Doubt he'll live past his three-hundredth birthday myself

**alabama rover** · 11/11/2006, 2:34 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I hate to see an club in trouble, but there is a large degree of poetic justive about Shels being over a barrel at the moment. Coulcn't happen to a nicer buinch of people.

From the perspective of my club, would make it an even greater shame if Kenny left, as he might be able to attract a Shels player or two to sign for us. We're in dire need of natural goal-scorers.

Derry should sign Fenlon..... Problem solved!!

KOH

**EnDai** · 12/11/2006, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sliog�n D�ite

Doubt he'll live past his three-hundredth birthday myself

Unless feesable cloning happens soon. Or his brain is put into a robot, so he can live forever as a machine! Add a few more zero's to that 365!

**John83** · 12/11/2006, 6:46 PM

Originally Posted by EnDai

Unless feesable cloning happens soon. Or his brain is put into a robot, so he can live forever as a machine! Add a few more zero's to that 365!

I'd sooner see The Boys From Brazil come true.

**Sam Savic** · 12/11/2006, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

We'll be back in tolka again next season. Shels are some way off from leaving tolka and indeed from going to Santry. The move from tolka is dependent on planning permission being approved and this wont happen until they get a lease for Santry.

KOH

It's even more complicated than that. Planning permission is not just for Tolka, but also for lands at Clonliffe College. It will be taken as a full package.
Shels have plans for Morton Stadium. However, Fingal County Council won't give them a lease until Shels "show them the money". Dublin City Council won't let them sell the lease on Tolka until they have a new home. They don't want another Milltown - Shamrock Rovers scenario.
Even when all that is in place, they still have to come to agreement with Clonliffe Harriers, who are also tenants at Morton Stadium. Morton Stadium will still also remain the home of Irish Athletics.
If Shels still exist next season they will be playing in Tolka. And so will Rovers.

**pineapple stu** · 12/11/2006, 9:06 PM

So basically Shels can't enter Morton unless they have money, but can't get money unless they leave Tolka?

**LeixlipRed** · 12/11/2006, 9:16 PM

At this stage I don't know which is worse, ****ing away money in Tolka from the sae of the lease or going to Morton with a lump sum and ****ing it all away there. Serious changes have to made in the way the club is run. I don't think anyone (even those who hate him) would doubt Ollie's commitment to the survival of our club. However, what many people doubt is his ability to see past the quick fix. The club needs to go back to basics and build a proper foundation for the future. That's not going to happen with Ollie as Tsar unfortunately

**Sam Savic** · 12/11/2006, 9:17 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

So basically Shels can't enter Morton unless they have money, but can't get money unless they leave Tolka?

A bit like politics in Norn Iron. Both situations will have to take place almost in sync. If planning permission was granted for the Tolka / Clonliffe grounds, that would start the ball rolling. At that stage, Shels might be able to get certain committments from the bank that would satisfy Fingal Co Council. Their plans for Morton would then have to be agreed by Clonliffe Harriers and Athletics Ireland. Shels plans would then need planning permission ( I'm sure there will be objectors ), then the building will commence - and when all that is finished, Shels can move in.
How many years away is that? A good few I would say.
Will Shels have any money left by then?

**pineapple stu** · 12/11/2006, 9:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Savic

Their plans for Morton would then have to be agreed by Clonliffe Harriers and Athletics Ireland.

Will they get that? Wouldn't be the first ground they've tried for but been refused.

Originally Posted by Sam Savic

How many years away is that? A good few I would say.
Will Shels have any money left by then?

They must be losing close to a million a year, what with legal costs and hugely inflated wage costs. I think that figure was mentioned in the papers as well around the time of the groundsharing debacle. Dublin City were racking up losses of almost half a million a year by comparison, so I'd say they're definitely that bad for starters before you consider the wages for four full internationals, etc. If they go into liquidation (hypothetically), they'll cover all their debts easily enough, but how much longer can they realistically expect to keep getting cash advances? I can see another Revenue winding up order in a few months - one of those is surely going to have to break their back?

**Raheny Red** · 12/11/2006, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Savic

It's even more complicated than that. Planning permission is not just for Tolka, but also for lands at Clonliffe College. It will be taken as a full package.
Shels have plans for Morton Stadium. However, Fingal County Council won't give them a lease until Shels "show them the money". Dublin City Council won't let them sell the lease on Tolka until they have a new home. They don't want another Milltown - Shamrock Rovers scenario.
Even when all that is in place, they still have to come to agreement with Clonliffe Harriers, who are also tenants at Morton Stadium. Morton Stadium will still also remain the home of Irish Athletics.
If Shels still exist next season they will be playing in Tolka. And so will Rovers.

Excuse my ignorance but how do you know this?

**Sam Savic** · 12/11/2006, 9:35 PM

Shels reaching agreement with Clonliffe Harriers and Athletics Ireland would mean that Shels would have a lease on everything in the stadium - bar the track and infield ( the pitch ).
To a football team, that's the most important part.

I think Shels main problem will be the local objectors.

**Frankfurt Hoop** · 13/11/2006, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Raheny Red

Excuse my ignorance but how do you know this?

He's SRFC's Head Of Intelligence. He knows everything, it's his job.

**Macy** · 13/11/2006, 7:40 AM

Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

I don't think anyone (even those who hate him) would doubt Ollie's commitment to the survival of our club. However, what many people doubt is his ability to see past the quick fix.

But those two things are mutually exclusive. With the type of money coming in from the possible sale of Tolka, Shels future could've been secured if Ollie had cut the wage bill and invested in the future. Instead of arsing around the courts and getting into scraps with Revenue he could've been negogiating over Santry. It can hardly help them secure a lease when Shels are regularly in the papers for breaching contracts...

**drummerboy** · 13/11/2006, 8:57 AM

Shels would have to spend a lot of money to obtain a UEFA licence for Morton. Another problem would be they would have no revenue from a bar. As DCC will only give one bar licence to the Morton site. That licence is held by Clonliffe who use the bar to help fund their thriving athletics club. One solution would be to buy the licence from Clonliffe, but I'd imagine it would cost an enormous amount of money.