Stephen Kenny to Dunfermline?

[BohsPartisan]

I'm not disputing that he did well with Longford but he didn't really have anything to bottle then - see my definition above. Fenlon is a better manager than Kenny - end of. His record speaks for itself. I like Kenny, I can't stand Fenlon, so thats not a biased opinion.

[pete]

Fenlon is a better manager than Kenny - end of. His record speaks for itself. I like Kenny, I can't stand Fenlon, so thats not a biased opinion.

It agree. Time has not been favourable to Bohs sacking Kenny but they were correct at the time. Shocking european result & crap start to season with team that could not defend a lead. Bohs made some other terible decisions with managers but Kenny was not one.

Fenlon is the best manager in the league, he is on the brink of 3 leagues in 4 seasons which is best record in 20 years. Best managers usually get the best teams just like any other sport. He has had some dodgy results in europe but learnt fronm them & CL 3rd round not been bettered. (I did to cleanse myself now after praise him like that)

[dcfcsteve]

Yes I have. I think Doolin is a bad manager. Nothing to do with Bottling. I think Kenny is a good manager until he gets to the final hurdle. Thats my definition of bottling, falling when the finish line is insight.

That's a rubbish analogy.

SK hasn't fallen at any final hurdle - he's just completed the race in second. As stated previously only one horse can win the race. That doesn't make every other horse bottlers or abject failures - particularly when SK's horse wasn't leading the pack at any point during the race.

If City had been top of the league for any significant period of time, and then we blew it towards the end of the season - just like Kevin Keegan did with Newcastle - then your bottling theory might start to have some mileage. But the fact is that we weren't - hence your view is a nonsense.

[osarusan]

"voila" perhaps?

[sonofstan]

"voila" perhaps?

Mersea bowkoo

[BohsPartisan]

That's a rubbish analogy.

- hence your view is a nonsense.

Thats your opinion I have mine. I doubt we will agree so continuing to argue the toss with you is pointless.

[hoops1]

Bottling it is harsh, but i definately think Derry missed out the week they
won the league cup. Kenny totally lost the run of himself that week and the
legaue game in Tolka the 2-2 is where it was lost imo.
Derry's surrender of the 2 goal lead gave the advantage to Shels
If Kenny had controlled the players discipline better after the 2 sendings
off instead of its all the refs fault the 3rd might not have happened
Derry would have won the match and probably the title

[dcfcsteve]

Bottling it is harsh, but i definately think Derry missed out the week they
won the league cup. Kenny totally lost the run of himself that week and the
legaue game in Tolka the 2-2 is where it was lost imo.
Derry's surrender of the 2 goal lead gave the advantage to Shels
If Kenny had controlled the players discipline better after the 2 sendings
off instead of its all the refs fault the 3rd might not have happened
Derry would have won the match and probably the title

What screwed us in that game was not having a sub-keeper on the bench. That is the only decision SK has made in his 2 years at Derry that I personally would criticise him for.

A proper keeper would've saved at least one, if not both, of Shels' goals in that match.

[Aaron]

This whole shebang about Fenlon being a better manager is based on winning trophies of course. Yes but as far as being a better tactical manager i would say Stephen Kenny is better. Thats not biased because its like sayin Felix Healy is a better manager than Kenny because he won more trophies at us but my definition of a good manager is based on how a team plays and how far they have come since the previous manager. Yes managers are judged on success and rightly so but like Dunfermline are doing, they look at the style of football and organisation of a team and how they play rather than just how many trophies the person has won

[bohs til i die]

This whole shebang about Fenlon being a better manager is based on winning trophies of course. Yes but as far as being a better tactical manager i would say Stephen Kenny is better. Thats not biased because its like sayin Felix Healy is a better manager than Kenny because he won more trophies at us but my definition of a good manager is based on how a team plays and how far they have come since the previous manager. Yes managers are judged on success and rightly so but like Dunfermline are doing, they look at the style of football and organisation of a team and how they play rather than just how many trophies the person has won

In the 3 league games between Derry and Shels this season both clubs have 4 points yet Derry are 3/6 points behind Shels. That indicates that Fenlon's team are more consitant over the league season to pick up more points fromthe other teams in the league.

In 2003 and 2004 Bohs took more points from our games with Shels yet finished 5 and 8 points respectively behind Shels over the course of the season. I know Kenny wasnt around for half of 2004 but the main pioint stands.

Fenlon has 2 [probably 3] titles in 5 seasons. He musnt be too bad at the oul tactics and motivation when you consider he has kept Shels at the top despite two winding up orders, players strikes and 4/5 weeks of non payment of wages.

A manager's tactics and how he gets them across to his playersis a huge part of football. If Fenlon makes it 3 from 5 then surely you cannot deny he is the best manager currently employed in the eircom league?

[BohsFans]

It's funny how Derry fans are changing their ambitions around now that they can't realistically win the league.

They were going for the title a few weeks ago, now it's second place they're aimed for.

[nzamcdza]

obviously???

[dcfcsteve]

It's funny how Derry fans are changing their ambitions around now that they can't realistically win the league.

They were going for the title a few weeks ago, now it's second place they're aimed for.

What's so funny about that ?? The table doesn't lie - you have to accept what it says.

Mathematically we can still win the league, but are unlikely to do so. We therefore now have to worry about whether Cork or Drogs can pip us to 2nd place. That's the reality of the situation. Would you rather fans ignore the reality their teams face....?

[derrymac]

There is still an outside chance we can win the league but we will all know a lot more this time tomorrow. If Shels lose to Cork and Derry beat St Pats and arbitration announces the original decision to deduct Bohs 3 points and no replay it leaves Derry 3 points behind with a game in hand. Beat Waterford on Monday night and it is level on points going into the last game of the season. Yes, we would have to rely on a Bohs team that has done nothing lately except draw with us and screw our title challenge so we would have to hope that the desire to screw Shels will motivate them like nothing else could and they beat Shels and we beat Cork and we win the lague.

Its a lot to ask for and we haven't done ourselves any favours by drawing with Bray and losing to Drogheda but it aint over yet.

[nzamcdza]

We dont think Kenny is the best because of what he has won its the vast improvement he has made.

Fenlon has done a great job winning the legaue with shels, but they were good when he took over and he had money to spend.

When Kenny took over us we were relegation candiadates, to go from that to (probably) 2 second places, 2 league cups, a possible fai cup, a good european run, while having very little money to spend is remarkable.

[BohsFans]

obviously???

read it.


I don't see anyone saying 2nd isn't good enough, especially when you were in a better position (not physically speaking) to win the league then Shels. Your all saying lets go for 2nd.

[dcfcsteve]

read it.


I don't see anyone saying 2nd isn't good enough, especially when you were in a better position (not physically speaking) to win the league then Shels. Your all saying lets go for 2nd.

When were we in a better position to win the league than Shels ??? As we've seen, games in-hand don't count for nought.

Waterford could have 20 games in-hand, but I still doubt that would put them in a better position to win the league than Shels....

[BohsPartisan]

Were you not level on points with games in hand at one stage? I was sure you were but I could be wrong.

[bohs til i die]

When Kenny took over us we were relegation candiadates, to go from that to (probably) 2 second places, 2 league cups, a possible fai cup, a good european run, while having very little money to spend is remarkable.

Eh Derry have signed a lot of players in the past 18 months. Holmes, McCourt, Kelly, Oman, O'Flynn, McCafferty, Brennan, McHugh, Molloy - Thats just under half your squad

Fenlon took over an ageing Shels team in 2002 and has made some necessary changes and won titles.

Kenny has had two full seasons at Derry now.

[lofty9]

interesting no-one has noted that he presumably isnt moving for a paycut....

According to today's Derry Journal he was offered a package to stay that beat Dunfermilines salary. Business men in the city put together finances to persuade him to stay.