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    Roddy and Dan McDonnell to talk about Shels farce...

    ...on Newstalk 106-108 in a mo...

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    One can only agree with Sligo Fans last sunday about Roddy and self- abuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofstan View Post
    One can only agree with Sligo Fans last sunday about Roddy and self- abuse
    Get it right. It was the Derry fans

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    What was the panels consensus? (dare I ask?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BohsBohsBohs View Post
    Anyone think the standard of Newstalk has gone down since it went national?

    Slightly off topic... but yes...

    Moncrief and Hook are great though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O'Riordan View Post
    Slightly off topic... but yes...

    Moncrief and Hook are great though!

    ****ing students. Students and the unemployed, they're the only people who get to listen to Moncrief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaime View Post
    Students and the unemployed, they're the only people who get to listen to Moncrief.
    Normally catch half an hour - 8am - 4pm are my hours. Breakfast show is okay, and normally stick with it since it's a half 6 start as opposed to 7 for boring Ireland. Mid morning is crap though, Orla Barry is rubbish and Brenda Power's show is awful and really reflects the paper she writes for - DIM

    Back on topic, what did Shoddy and Daniel McD have to say? I would expect them to share the same views as the thread here?

    Back off topic - excellent by the Derry fans on Sunday, took me back to the Stretty and Elton Welsby
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    Roddy agrees with the replay of the game
    dan just gave a rundown of what was goin on to sound of radios being switched off throughout the land!

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    For once I agree with Roddy! Though if Shels were given a walk over i.e. 3 points then that would be OK too, though the fairest is a replay. If Ronaldinho was suspended and played against Chelsea the other day what do you think UEFA would do?

    Good to see Derry are looking after the interests of the League and Irish Football in general:

    In a statement, the Board of Directors said: “We wish to reassure all supporters and fans of the club both in Derry and elsewhere, that we intend, as a Board, to protect robustly and resolutely the interests of our club.

    I can see Ollie's point about the fact that Shels would have 3 points more than Shels based on matches versus Dublin City but I think if everybody gets nothing from their games with Dublin City then that's fair enough.
    By originally deducting 3 points from Bohs they were punishing Bohs and in a way punishing Shels too ( where did the three points go then? ) so a replay is probably fair enough -let it be settled on the pitch. Will the same player still be 'suspended' ? Surely that would be fair too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelsman View Post
    Good to see Derry are looking after the interests of the League and Irish Football in general:
    And we have a winner in the Pots and Kettles category of the Post of the Year competition.

    Jesus wept, do you even see the irony in what you've just said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelsman View Post
    Will the same player still be 'suspended' ? Surely that would be fair too?
    Only if they also replay the game in which he actually served the suspension as well. Otherwise he'd be serving his one match ban twice - not in the spirit of fair play shels are such fans of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelsman View Post
    For once I agree with Roddy! Though if Shels were given a walk over i.e. 3 points then that would be OK too, though the fairest is a replay. If Ronaldinho was suspended and played against Chelsea the other day what do you think UEFA would do?

    Good to see Derry are looking after the interests of the League and Irish Football in general:

    In a statement, the Board of Directors said: “We wish to reassure all supporters and fans of the club both in Derry and elsewhere, that we intend, as a Board, to protect robustly and resolutely the interests of our club.

    I can see Ollie's point about the fact that Shels would have 3 points more than Shels based on matches versus Dublin City but I think if everybody gets nothing from their games with Dublin City then that's fair enough.
    By originally deducting 3 points from Bohs they were punishing Bohs and in a way punishing Shels too ( where did the three points go then? ) so a replay is probably fair enough -let it be settled on the pitch. Will the same player still be 'suspended' ? Surely that would be fair too?


    as $h3l$ and the FAI have decided to change the rules mid season to suit $h3l$ at the expense of the league as a whole, of course derry must act in the best interests of derry, oillie obviously thinks he can bully and push everyone around, its about time someone stood up to him.

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    Surely the best thing is that the punishment should be set in stone in the rulebook and not open to interpretation i.e. for every offence there should be an exact punishment specified, then there can be no debate, appeals and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelsman View Post
    For once I agree with Roddy! Though if Shels were given a walk over i.e. 3 points then that would be OK too, though the fairest is a replay. If Ronaldinho was suspended and played against Chelsea the other day what do you think UEFA would do?

    Good to see Derry are looking after the interests of the League and Irish Football in general:
    What utter drivel, though unsurprising from a Shels fan.

    A replay is not fair, or indeed legal. In 1999/00, Kilkenny beat Limerick 3-2. Kilkenny had played in ineligible player, and a replay was ordered, which Kilkenny won 1-0. However, a civil judge later ruled that this replay was void and that the league had no powers to order a replay. What is at issue here, therefore, is that -

    (a) The FAI have overruled the league and made their own decision which is in breach of the league's own rules as decided by a civil judge
    (b) You seem to think that a decision which is illegal is fair and
    (c) You seem to think that Derry are somehow wrong to be seeking an illegal judgement to be overruled.

    Shels fans in general appear to actually think that Ollie is right and good in this instance, even though the precedent tells us that he is wrong, and that that precedent does not come from the league itself but from a court of law. And they wonder why their club is hated so much.

    On this case, I can only assume that, seeing as the precendent exists for the ruling to be invalidated in a court of law, Derry's appeal will succeed, the 2-1 win for Bohs will be reinstated and Derry will again be three points behind Shels with a game in hand.

    You then call for an exact penalty for every offence. Do you have any idea how stupidly impractical this is? Human stupidity knows no bounds, and more so when you have people like Ollie and the FAI involved. It would be impossible to legislate for every single possible f***-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    In 1999/00, Kilkenny beat Limerick 3-2.
    Clearly the FAI didn't do too much research on the issue and had forgotten about this one - but wasn't it Dundalk who were the others involved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harpskid View Post
    wasn't it Dundalk who were the others involved?
    Dundalk were vying with Kilkenny for promotion that year, similar to Derry's position now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    What utter drivel, though unsurprising from a Shels fan..
    Very harsh and very unfair.

    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    A replay is not fair, or indeed legal. ..
    It depends what you call legal -legal as in the eL rulebook or legal as in Ireland's laws ( I doubt anything in the latter was breached ). If the FAI are breaking or ignoring a rule in the eL rulebook then that is ridiculous behaviour by them, outrageous really! I don't have a copy of the rulebook it so I can't say. Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    However, a civil judge later ruled that this replay was void and that the league had no powers to order a replay..
    Not sure how the Nation's laws have anything to do with football ( why bother with a rule book if the courts are going to decide everything. But yeah, if they have no powers by their own rules to order a replay then that is not fair ).

    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    (b) You seem to think that a decision which is illegal is fair and ..
    Again, I don't own a copy of the rulebook, and if it is against the written rules to order a replay then I don't think it is fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    (c) You seem to think that Derry are somehow wrong to be seeking an illegal judgement to be overruled...
    No. The rules should be followed by all clubs. It was the statement that Derry made that I didn't like which said that they would do what was best for Derry City FC ( no mention of football in general ) i.e. it implied that they would do whatever they had to to win the league on or off the pitch -seems like they're contradicting their manager there. Maybe ( like Fenlon ) I'm reading too much between the lines.

    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    You then call for an exact penalty for every offence. Do you have any idea how stupidly impractical this is?
    Very harsh words and again unfair. Would you rather have 'general' rules or 'guidelines' ? At the very least, if there is something not covered by the rulebook that causes a problem they should amend the rulebook each time with an exact penalty before the start of the next season -is this stupidly impractical???

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