Originally Posted by Luke O'Riordan
No we didn't.
We only had three points deducted.
Your use of emoticons lead me to believe you are as confused as I am.
You were deducted 3 points. Dropping you from 31 to 28.
The "win" against Shels is scrubbed from the records and you are then dropped from 28 to 25.
http://www.irishfootballonline.com/t...vision=Premier
Looks like it!
Can't be right though. The FAI decision is hardly binding. The el board of control haven't ratified it.
FARCE!
http://www.irishfootballonline.com/t...vision=Premier
Looks like it!
Can't be right though. The FAI decision is hardly binding. The el board of control haven't ratified it.
FARCE!
Thats what I think anyway. Everyone is on here spouting off sh!t from the rule books. But the bottom line is, if a replay is granted - if the game is wiped from the records, then so should the 3 point deduction. As it stands Bohs have NOTHING to gain from a replay - if you win it, you will still be sitting at the end of the season with an asterix beside you in the league table inicating a 3 point deduction. I've read a few articles where its been suggested that Bohs could "win back" their 3 points - thats NOT going to happen. Looking at the league table, and a bit of simple mathmatics will tell you that
If you want to get down to brass tacks, the replay is purely geared towards giving Shels an opportunity to gain 3 points. What benefit will Bohs get from this game - with regards to the league table? Nothing, no matter what way you dice and slice it.
To follow on from Davids "hypothetical" scenario - should the replay go ahead, and (god forbid) a Bohs player is badly injured - would Bohs be in a position to take the FAI to court for forcing them to play a meaningless game?
Last edited by dancinpants; 03/11/2006 at 4:34 AM.
I didn't realise that it was in effect a 6 point deduction and now Bohs are playing to get 3 of those back. Absolute madness. As I said earlier the logical thing to do would have been (if Bohs were found guilty, and it seems there is a very good case for finding them not guilty) to award Shelbourne the win for the game. If the rules do not allow for this then they should be changed immediately. I thought it was only the IFA that screwed these things up. Why make it easy when it can be hard seems to be the attitude.
David, The rules were in place that Bohs should be docked the points. Precedent has been set by the league on various occaisions. The EL teams all signed up for the league and therefore by doing so accepted the rule book. Shels are one of those teams. The eircom league made the decision to deduct the points. There is no place for a replay in the rule book or for a 3-0 win. Fair play is the FAI's excuse to hand Ollie his Champions League spot and pay the wages of his mercenaries for another year. To change the rules mid season are idiotic and have led to the chaos.
The Irish League gave the EL Derry, any chance of taking Shelbourne from us a thank you?
As Irishmen we dilute our sense of nation by depending on the English to bring us our balls
Now you see why I'd be happy for any all-island league to be run out of Belfast....!
Anyone see any similarities with the Rugby League story in New Zealand where NZ played an Australain who had a Kiwi Great grandmother rahter than grandmother (are you listenting Tony Cascarino). Anyway there seems to have been a quick decision whihc everyone accepts that NZ lose the points but Britain (who he played against) dont gain any.
Of course in Ireland it's an opportunity to have a drawn out argument!
For all the moaning Ollie is right, as the points deduction stood and boez didn't appeal Ollie was fully entitled to point out that UEFA granted 3-0 walkovers to the opposition in all such cases. The fact that they have given a replay is effectively the same thing, exept they might not get the 3-0.
In dundalks case, they'd be threading thin ice, as would the fai in awarding a replay since the matter there still has the potential to go further, that would completely fook things up.
If ever there was a skewed analysis to suit your own club, thats it.
Eh, I actually think Thomas's analysis doesn't suit Rovers. We'd love if Dundalk asked for and were granted a replay.
Mind you, I'd prefer consistent, logical decision making across the board applied to all clubs. But then, I've always been a dreamer.
KOH
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Apologies Thomas.Eh, I actually think Thomas's analysis doesn't suit Rovers. We'd love if Dundalk asked for and were granted a replay.
Mind you, I'd prefer consistent, logical decision making across the board applied to all clubs. But then, I've always been a dreamer.
KOH
But I think the precendent in the Bohs case would carry, if it sticks through arbitration.
Obviously its Dundalks perogative and since they have less to gain it makes it unlikely that a replay would be foisted upon them against their will.
More worrying is the precedent established for the other cases (Hargan being one).
utter nonsense.
what uefa would do is as irrelevant as what the north wicklow under 16 girls' hockey league would do. the eircom league rules are clear, and the precedents of their application are clear: 3 points deduction, no walkover, no replay.
if ollie byrne doesn't like it, by all means he can lobby for the rule to be modified for next season.
Last edited by Burnsie; 03/11/2006 at 1:42 PM. Reason: ire clouded my syntax
WRONG
uh uh
what uefa do is paramount - and thats why ollie has them over a barrel here and thats why they made up a ruling with no reference to their own rules
where does it say that? genuinely? the league have the power to determine their own administrative rules. if this was the case, why weren't the UEFA rules mentioned in the decision?
uuuhm i dunno sherlock
Ollie issued the threat of appeal via that UEFA precedent
its seems to have been enough to convince the fai - el or WHOEVER the fck issued this ruling that they'll back away
Jesus that's even more disgraceful than I'd realised. To be honest our season has been so bad that I wasn't even aware how many points we were on, hence me not realising the further points deduction.Your use of emoticons lead me to believe you are as confused as I am.
You were deducted 3 points. Dropping you from 31 to 28.
The "win" against Shels is scrubbed from the records and you are then dropped from 28 to 25.
John Delaney has his say on things:
For more see: http://www.ireland.com/sports/soccer...547475642.htmlFAI chief executive John Delaney refused to be drawn on the controversial state of the domestic league today, opting instead to keep his council until after tomorrow's eircom League Board of Control meeting.
Whether or not Delaney will elaborate following that meeting remains to be seen but he has promised a "speedier process" to deal with registration and suspension issues once the FAI takes control of the league later this year.
"It's important to learn from the past but certainly not live in it," he said when questioned on the litany of disputes that have dogged the domestic league in recent seasons.
"We're working on putting different processes in place to learn from all the mistakes of the past, in all areas.
"Going forward there will be speedier processes to deal with something, for example, which occurred in the middle of August and is only now being dealt with. . . that I believe will help in terms of process."
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
What a knob - It's the bloody FAI part of the process that has dragged it out till now.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Maybe next year they can do us all a favour by having something similar to the FA in England. This is a good site.
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/
Interestingly on fair play:
FAIR PLAY IN FOOTBALL
means that EVERYONE connected with football
Maybe certain people should action this as this is what FAIR PLAY is.
- shows understanding of and respect for the Laws of the Game
- supports the belief that the game should be played in an entertaining and positive way
- behaves on and off the field in a sporting manner towards all others involved, be they players, officials or spectators, irrespective of results
As Irishmen we dilute our sense of nation by depending on the English to bring us our balls
This whole debacle is a fúcking joke. The FAI are destroying the game, as is Ollie with his constant legal wranglings. The only way to sort this out is for all clubs to resign from the league and reform a new league with a clear and decent rule book and decent administration. Fúck Genesis and the new Super Ultra Extreme Premier Eircom FAI League.
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