Bohs v Shels

[passerrby]

and may i also say that when we talk about the el been a joke we have to remember that this was not just the fai who ****ed up here, clubs have made a laugh of our league by playing fast and loose with the rules so i think we should all take a bow

[OneRedArmy]

Possibly the decision could come down to Paper Scissors Rock. But that system could prove too complex.

You'd certainly have to take into account that obscure European precedent where a very pointy sharp rock cut the paper, not to mention the incident with the blunt scissors and the industrial strength paper resulting in a shock victory for paper.

[monutdfc]

clubs have made a laugh of our league by playing fast and loose with the rules so i think we should all take a bow

No, just one club, and one individual associated with that club. Every time the league is dragged though the mire it seems to be Ollie Byrne driving the tractor.

There are several precedents...for example, a couple of seasons ago Jimmy Fullam played for us while suspended, we won, we were docked 3 points, Athlone Town didn't look for a replay or a 3-0 scoreline or anything.
Dundalk didn't look for a replay of the Shamrock Rovers game (in fairness, they were probably happier to keep their point than take a chance on a replay) or a 3-0 scoreline or anything.
When the Sean Hargan episode came to light, Bohs didn't go looking for a replay or a 3-0 scoreline or anything.

[Dodge]

BTW Bohs shouldn't have been edocked any points in the first ****ing place. They were told by the FAI that he was OK to play but they did the honourable thing and accepted their punishment.

Shame not everybody could be so gracious

Oh and Sheridan I should've said "some fans were against it"

[derrymac]

Paper and Scissors are being ridden Rock solid

[iceman]

So if the game is ever played is McGuinness eligible to play or not or has he served his suspension in the game that was declared void

[OneRedArmy]

Can one or more of the 4 clubs who played Derry when Hargan was "suspended" please do the decent thing and ask for a replay. In the name of fair play of course.

And lets see how Delaney burrows his way out of this.

[BohDiddley]

I hope that when this game is played every lover of the game in the country, north and south, comes to let Shelbourne, Ollie and the FAI know what they think of this charade.

[Dodge]

If I get in for free I will

[Jerry The Saint]

Surely no-one should be able to appeal a decision re another club ? Shels weren't a party to the decision/penalty, so should'nt be aloowed to appeal it.

Happened during the registration fiasco - in fact, I'm not even 100% sure that Shels were one of the teams Pats played while Mbabazi was ineligible. Wouldn't have stopped Ollie either way.

I hope that when this game is played every lover of the game in the country, north and south, comes to let Shelbourne, Ollie and the FAI know what they think of this charade.

Only if Ollie doesn't get a cut of the gate!

[dancinpants]

Happened during the registration fiasco - in fact, I'm not even 100% sure that Shels were one of the teams Pats played while Mbabazi was ineligible. Wouldn't have stopped Ollie either way.

Have I missed something? Was the registration fiasco not over Paul Marney? If its the "Marney affair" yer thinking of, Shels did play Pats in those opening games.

[Sheridan]

There were two distinct registration fiascos. The Marney one, and the Mbabazi one which Dooney attempted to cover up, from what I recall.

[chippie0001]

Just thinking about this. Why do we even have to listen to the FAI. I thought the league was run by the Eircom League until the end of the season and then the FAI take over? What have they got to do with this and why do we have to listen?

[Jaime]

when this game is played

This is one of the most worrying aspects to this mess.

[RedLegend]

Cant believe this decision....Ollie should be ashamed of himself, How can we try attract new fans to the league with clowns like Delaney running it.

I call for an absolute reform in the FAI....As if Staunton as Ireland manager wasnt enough

[OneRedArmy]

Just thinking about this. Why do we even have to listen to the FAI. I thought the league was run by the Eircom League until the end of the season and then the FAI take over? What have they got to do with this and why do we have to listen?

Appeals go to the FAI currently.

Next season all decisions will be by the FAI.

So no real difference.

[bohs til i die]

Just when you thought they couldn't get any worse,just when you thought they couldn't make another absolutely terrible decision,just when you thought they couldn't be anymore detrimental to our national league.......

Ladies and Gentlemen,i give you........the FAI

If Shels fans are so against this decision why dont you all tell Ollie to reject the hearing outcome for the good of the eircom league and its integrity?

[TonyD]

There were two distinct registration fiascos. The Marney one, and the Mbabazi one which Dooney attempted to cover up, from what I recall.

There were two issues alright. Marney wasn't registered (allegedly )for the first 3 games of the season - one of which was v Shels at Tolka, a 1-1 draw, the Mbabazi issue covered the first 5 games. So the games concerned overlapped.

I agree with most of whats been said already. a couple of random things strike me.

1) Surely Dundalk are now entitled to a replay v Rovers. The precedent has been set.
2) The concept of "Fair Play" just seems to be FAI code for "making it up as we go" or alternativley "we're afraid of Ollie, but don't want to look as if we're bowing down to him completely, so this is the best compromise we could rustle up" Either way it seems like a very dangerous precedent.
3)I'd forgotten completely about the Dublin City/Waterford situation. How the hell can the FAI justify that ? Oh, I forgot, they don't have to. Just shows what a bit of muscle(and I thought it was all flab Ollie )can do.

[bohs til i die]

There were two issues alright. Marney wasn't registered (allegedly )for the first 3 games of the season - one of which was v Shels at Tolka, a 1-1 draw, the Mbabazi issue covered the first 5 games. So the games concerned overlapped.

I agree with most of whats been said already. a couple of random things strike me.

1) Surely Dundalk are now entitled to a replay v Rovers. The precedent has been set.
2) The concept of "Fair Play" just seems to be FAI code for "making it up as we go" or alternativley "we're afraid of Ollie, but don't want to look as if we're bowing down to him completely, so this is the best compromise we could rustle up" Either way it seems like a very dangerous precedent.
3)I'd forgotten completely about the Dublin City/Waterford situation. How the hell can the FAI justify that ? Oh, I forgot, they don't have to. Just shows what a bit of muscle(and I thought it was all flab Ollie )can do.

Bohs can now also demand a replay for a defeat to Derry when Hargan played and was allegedly suspended.

[Gareth]

Let me start by saying that I think its all a crock of crap whats going on.

But I would like to point out playing a SUSPENDED player, is different to playing an UNREGISTERED player. I would also like to state that every club has a right to appeal and also a right to see things get carried out the way the rules dictate, and if these things are not carried out correctly then they can raise the issues.

Numerous clubs appeal decisions, raise issues, etc. In this case Shels raised the issue. If the rulebook was correctly written, then the case would have been closed promptly rather than the crap that occured and the stuttering from teh EL/FAI.

I don't like football being brought to a court/commitee etc,but if the club in question has an issuse, then thats the porcess used. Rovers should have right to be ****ed off royally. Derry fans should question the slating of Shels appealling when they also appealled a decision via this route to get their case heard.

Basically it boils down to a **** league administration when it comes to a decent rulebook and everyone knows, if push comes to shove, Ollie will shove, and then shove a little more. However point out what he has done outside the rules of normal process in this case. I may not like it, but to say Shels are at fault here, I say nay its the league and its lack of consistancy and solid rules.