Bohs v Shels

**Mr_Parker** · 02/11/2006, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Ah well, if it's any comfort at least it's not just the FAI & eL...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...an/6098474.stm

I could give you a 101 examples form the IFA!!

garyderry · 02/11/2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Tough, even if I think any protest of this type pointless...

Bohs contacted the FAI looking for confirmation and were told he was OK to play. Bohs argued they were not notified correctly but shose to accept the 3 point punishment

Derry played a player suspended, were not notified correctly, and had no action taken against them.

Rovers signed a player, who was suspended at a time he had no club, played him and were deducted 3 points. No replay

Its the ****ing inconsitencies that make it a sham

so if all this is true, neither, derry, rovers or bohs should have had ANY punishment as in ALL cases the FAI fecked up,

who punishes the FAI?

**OneRedArmy** · 02/11/2006, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by garyderry

who punishes the FAI?

Us, the fans, who they are there to serve (although I think this frequently escapes their mind).

Its up to fans of the EL to present a united front against the football (mis)administrators who have repeatedly failed in their role as custodians of Irish football.

This season is a farce already and NOTHING can save it, regardless of whose name eventually sits at the top of the final League table.

The only good that can come of this is to get the incompetent blazers out of Irish football once and for all.

**joe_barry80** · 02/11/2006, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by garyderry

so if all this is true, neither, derry, rovers or bohs should have had ANY punishment as in ALL cases the FAI fecked up,

who punishes the FAI?

Fifa and Uefa can punish these C***s. If enough people send Emails they should take notice. It's just not normal for leagues to be decided this way. It's an absolute joke.

**paudie** · 02/11/2006, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by David

I know little or nothing of Eircom League politics or about Ollie Byrne but to be totally honest if I was a Shels fans I would be very annoyed at this decision. The logical thing to do if a player fields an ineligible player is to award the game to the opposition. A replay is simply nonsensical. Why was it not awarded to Shels in the first place? Sure three points cannot just simply be wiped out. In the original game Shels did no wrong and were beaten by a team who had a player that should not have been on the pitch. Therefore it should have been a straightforward decision intially, a Shelbourne win.

There seems to be a conflict between EL rules on fielding an ineligible player (points deducted, match not awarded to opponents) and UEFA/FIFA rules (3-0 award to opponents).

There are also questions as to whether the EL/FAI were obliged to change their rules to agree with the standard FIFA ones for this season. IMO the fact that the "EL" punishment had been levied on other clubs this season should have had weight when coming to a final decision.

Therefore the final decision should have one of these 2 outcomes and Shels were entitled to argue their case.

It's the replay decision that makes the whole thing a farce. It's the kind of thing you might see in a junior league. In my opinion it shows that the FAI dosen't see the EL (even potentially) as a serious league worth spending time administering properly

**Anto McC** · 02/11/2006, 5:44 PM

If people think it's bad now,wait untill take over the running of the league full time!

Billy Lord is right and we as fans of the national league have to do everything in our power to show the FAI up for what they are. Which is a bunch of incompetent self serving w*nkers. They are doing their best to silence management and players at clubs but can never silence the fans.

**LukeO** · 02/11/2006, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by wws

a point not really mentioned heretofore

Bohemians played "silly buggers" here and IMO deliberately fielded McGuinness to create mischief

Don't be ****ing stupid, what an idiotic post. Why on earth would we do that? Can you give me one good reason? What were we to achieve by doing that?

I suppose Pats deliberately fielded Paul Marney and Mbabazi "to create mischief" did they??

**oriel** · 02/11/2006, 8:06 PM

Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

Dundalk can't now turn around and demand a replay, the difference being that Shels didn't accept the original decision to dock 3 points from Bohs but from day one made an official appeal which resulted in yesterdays decision. Dundalk haven't followed that route and have missed the deadlines by which they should of appealed.... now that of course doesn't mean the FAI wouldn't now entertain a appeal from Dundalk, however IMO were Dundalk to do that it would be nothing more than an opportunistic ruse on their part , which IMO would make them no better than the idiots in Merrion Square.

I dont believe Dundalk will be looking for this match to be re-played.

**Rebal Boy** · 02/11/2006, 8:08 PM

This is a disgrace that Shels always get their own way just cause their w*nker of a chairman can't take his beaten. Hope 2 GOD Bohs win this game.

**sonofstan** · 02/11/2006, 9:07 PM

The league table on the FAI site has been adjusted - Shels have now played 25 for 55 points, we've played 26 for 25 points - i.e. our original 3 point punishment stands, plus we've had the 3 points we won for the Shels match expunged.

**BohsFans** · 02/11/2006, 9:10 PM

Originally Posted by David

In the original game Shels did no wrong and were beaten by a team who had a player that should not have been on the pitch. Therefore it should have been a straightforward decision intially, a Shelbourne win.

The league told 2 different Bohs officials the day of the game that he wasn't suspended.

**dancinpants** · 02/11/2006, 9:16 PM

Originally Posted by sonofstan

The league table on the FAI site has been adjusted - Shels have now played 25 for 55 points, we've played 26 for 25 points - i.e. our original 3 point punishment stands, plus we've had the 3 points we won for the Shels match expunged.

Thats the beauty of it. The match was scrubbed from the records - like it never took place.

Bohs were docked 3 points for a match that was "never played".

**DmanDmythDledge** · 02/11/2006, 9:17 PM

I think it is different from the game being expunged. The FAI are saying that the game should be repalyed, so they are acknowledging that it took place originally.

**BohsFans** · 02/11/2006, 9:25 PM

It's a pity we can't cash-in on this soap like drama attached to the league these days.

**sonofstan** · 02/11/2006, 9:30 PM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

It's a pity we can't cash-in on this soap like drama attached to the league these days.

if it ends up with Ollie or Delaney or both buried under patio tiling I'm all for it..

**David** · 02/11/2006, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

The league told 2 different Bohs officials the day of the game that he wasn't suspended.

I can understand in that case Bohs being annoyed at this, the league does seem to have acted unbelievably bad.

Here's a hypothetical scenario though. Last game of season, Shels v Derry, Shels at top of table two points ahead of Derry in second. Shels have a number of key players suspended. What is to stop them playing these players and getting a win with them? So what if the points get taken off them, they have still won the league.

**BohsFans** · 02/11/2006, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by David

I can understand in that case Bohs being annoyed at this, the league does seem to have acted unbelievably bad.

Here's a hypothetical scenario though. Last game of season, Shels v Derry, Shels at top of table two points ahead of Derry in second. Shels have a number of key players suspended. What is to stop them playing these players and getting a win with them? So what if the points get taken off them, they have still won the league.

Well it depends what the league tell shels when they ask; "Have we got any suspensions tonight"?

**OneRedArmy** · 02/11/2006, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by David

Here's a hypothetical scenario though. Last game of season, Shels v Derry, Shels at top of table two points ahead of Derry in second. Shels have a number of key players suspended. What is to stop them playing these players and getting a win with them? So what if the points get taken off them, they have still won the league.

Nothing.
And whose fault is that? (correct answer is the clubs who signed up to the defective rulebook, ie all of them).

**dcfcsteve** · 03/11/2006, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by David

I can understand in that case Bohs being annoyed at this, the league does seem to have acted unbelievably bad.

Here's a hypothetical scenario though. Last game of season, Shels v Derry, Shels at top of table two points ahead of Derry in second. Shels have a number of key players suspended. What is to stop them playing these players and getting a win with them? So what if the points get taken off them, they have still won the league.

Well Bohs not only lost the 3pts won in their game, but had a further 3pts deducted from them as a penalty.

So in your hypothetical scenario, it would see the title handed to City by a point.

Though that makes the dangerous assumption that the league would judge consistency, particularly when it came to seedy little Shelbourne.