Sean St. Ledger

[DeLorean]

Probably... neither of them covered themselves in glory though.

[the doc]

Actually Killer called for the ball, he held his hands up and apologised afterwards.
As for the 2nd Italy goal at Croker, we were all on the back foot after we foolishly tried to go for a 3rd goal resulting with us losing the ball in their half from which Italy countered.
Anelkas goal was a decent attempt, if you dive in and go to ground as he shapes to shoot, chances are he would drop the shoulder and go past you and into the box.
Andora goal, we were in party mode, so not as sharp as we could of been, it was a decent strike though.

[geysir]

This is quite frankly ridiculous, St Ledger was playing in his first competitive game for Ireland v Bulgaria and he might have made an error of judgement,
overall he's done well for us considering he's a championship defender. Who'd've guessed that 6 years later, people would be poring over that goal, laying blame on the rookie, over and above our most experienced player who actually called for the ball.

[DeLorean]

Why would we have been in party mode against Andorra? For what it's worth, here's Killers take on the goal in Sofia...

"By the beginning of June it was clear to me that Bulgaria would never be my favourite nation. In the match in Sofia we were 1-0 up when there was a disastrous misunderstanding between myself and Sean St Ledger in which we allowed the ball run between us, leading to a Bulgarian equaliser. It was a huge disappointment to concede in such a fashion. I felt terrible after the game and didn't want to talk too much about it. I just wanted to get home to the family. I was looking forward to a holiday with them and a bit of a summer break, but sometimes after a mistake like that it's helpful to have another game soon so that you can take your mind off it."

[ifk101]

If only Paul Butler was afforded the same level of understanding and sympathy. And that was only a friendly!

St Ledger's inflated valuation of himself is based on his international caps and performances for his "country". I don't think he has been a particular good player for us, his performance in a green jersey are far from faultless as many would make you believe and personally found it quite annoying at the time that the stable partnership O'Shea and Dunne had was broken up to accommodate him. But anyways all immaterial now.

It can't really be a surprise to anyone that he is finding it hard to get a new club. He hardly can point to a holding a healthy club career, he has a long injury record and struggled to get first team action when fit and in his prime. He's a poor player and it's just pure folly to hold up his international record as holding honour and worth. And to think the doc was touting him as the next Ireland captain. Thankfully we have been saved from that!

Why would we have been in party mode against Andorra?

Because it's Andorra. In the doc's mind you don't need to apply yourself against that level of opposition.

[DeLorean]

It can't really be a surprise to anyone that he is finding it hard to get a new club.

You seem to be the only one that's not surprised.

Because it's Andorra. In the doc's mind you don't need to apply yourself against that level of opposition.

I was thinking he might have been getting mixed up with the Estonia home game maybe.

[the doc]

I meant Estonia, Andorra was the game when Trap went mad at all the players for the performance.

It seems IKFA101, has an agenda, pointless arguing with someone like that.
My Da always said
"Never argue with a bigger fool than yourself"
We all have our opinions, I wonder if "IKFA101" was celebrating at Croker, Slovakia and Poznan when the Saint scored those vital goals?

[ifk101]

Vital goals?

You're not shy on expressing (strong) opinions on other centre-halves in and around the Irish set-up. So why cry foul when somebody correctly points out that St Ledger's performances in a green jersey were far from faultless, he has an inflated valuation of himself based on his Irish caps, he doesn't have a good club career behind him, he has a long injury record, when fit he wasn't picked by his club ..... These are all fair comments.

[Charlie Darwin]

I was all ready to come on here and laugh at the doc's nonsense, but ifk has taken away all the fun with this frankly ridiculous re-writing of Sledge history.

[ifk101]

Frankly ridiculous :-)

For the record St Ledger looks set to join Orlando. I wish him all the best in his retirement.

[the doc]

Frankly ridiculous :-)

For the record St Ledger looks set to join Orlando. I wish him all the best in his retirement.

Oooo young man!

Would you be so kind to help an old has been across the road?
Would you mind carrying that box? It's very heavy as it's full of international Irish caps!

[nigel-harps1954]

Oooo young man!

Would you be so kind to help an old has been across the road?
Would you mind carrying that box? It's very heavy as it's full of international Irish caps!

[gastric]

Joining Orlando could be really good for Sledge. Regular football, a chance to show that he still has ability and a decent attitude might prove many of his detractors wrong. Could even get him a move to the Premiership, which is probably being very, very optimistic!

[tetsujin1979]

Live stream of Orlando City VS New York City here: http://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/20...ycfc-sat-730pm
St Ledger is starting in defence for Orlando. He's still listed as a trialist on their lineup, but according to a brief mention in the Orlando Sentinel here - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...0221-post.html - he should be offered a contract soon

[the doc]

Live stream of Orlando City VS New York City here: http://www.orlandocitysc.com/post/20...ycfc-sat-730pm
St Ledger is starting in defence for Orlando. He's still listed as a trialist on their lineup, but according to a brief mention in the Orlando Sentinel here - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...0221-post.html - he should be offered a contract soon

Good performance from our forgotten CB, about time he had the rub of the green.

Surely not even IKFA101 can begrudge him that?

[youngirish]

The doc I was sure you were St Legder but considering that man is now in Orlando which is 5 hours behind I would think it would be unlikely he would be posting to newsgroups at 5:30 in the morning. So who are you?

[Eminence Grise]

Someone close to SSL was always my bet. Or just somebody with enough info to make more of it than it actually is (a bit like SSL and ability, I suppose!) I thought I read one post by him during a match when SSL was playing, but I couldn't find it later, and I'm not going to sift through each one of his posts and correlate them with Ireland-kick off times since 2007!

[Stuttgart88]

Maybe it was the Bulgaria game when he wasn't concentrating?

[the doc]

Maybe it was the Bulgaria game when he wasn't concentrating?

Very good!
Sharp as a knife, Stutta

[DannyInvincible]

The doc I was sure you were St Legder but considering that man is now in Orlando which is 5 hours behind I would think it would be unlikely he would be posting to newsgroups at 5:30 in the morning. So who are you?

Whether or not it is the full truth on the matter, the doc claims to at least know one of Sean's Irish relatives: http://foot.ie/converse.php?u=11054&u2=7723

I suspect he might well be a close relative with some sort of personal connection, however, considering his extreme defensiveness in response to anything that he fears portrays Sean in a negative light as well as his eagerness to put down other Irish players who would be seen as direct challengers to Sean for a place in the centre of the Irish defence.