QuoteDecent alright but still not Premier League Top Four level.Originally Posted by jbyrne
yet still 15th in the list of epl scorers....
pretty decent if youre to be honest
Decent alright but still not Premier League Top Four level.
have a look at all the so called world class players robbie is ahead of including utd, arsenal etc players who are considered top class "top four" players...
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/all-time
Regular appearance over a period of time for a club that was regularly in the top four when Robbie was playing for them . He was either not playing for these clubs or when he was he was not a regular starter for those clubs when they were in the top four .
Does that rule Shearer out of the top 4 epl strikers?
He won the league with Blackburn and was 2nd-4th with Newcastle several times. One could argue the definition of top four, but Newcastle were in the mix in the 90s.
Robbie was not as good at club level as some people seem to wish for .
When he went to Liverpool did he make himself undroppable . I don’t believe Liverpool were winning the league then !
He was not top drawer in the premier league . If he was then the top drawer clubs of the premier league would have bought him . Liverpool did and he was not good enough to force his way into the team . If he was not Irish and had scored so many goals for Ireland it would be much easier to get agreement on this .
International football bar say the top 30 ( perhaps even 20 ) teams is a far lower level than the premier league .
Newcastle were in the mix before Shearer joined them in the 90's but waned until Robson's time, altogether Shearer played with a top 4 team 5 times out of 14 or so seasons. There are probably many other EPL strikers with better epl records and titles than Shearer, but that does not mean they are better strikers.
Mourinho seems to have put Troy, on the not ready yet Limb . Not surprising really considering the lad is only 17 or has he turned 18 .
Robbie had an excellent season with Coventry and reasonably excellent 5 or 6 seasons with Spurs when they were just a middling team, in that period he stood his ground with some of the world's top strikers . That season with Berbatov was worth the price of 3.
His record in the MLS far outshines any other ex EPL striker, a credit to his level of professionalism.
Who gives a f f if he wasn't better than Henry or Bergkamp or Shearer or whoever in the EPl.
Robbie was a really good player. Shearer, Van Niestlerooy, Aguero and Henry were all absolutely outstanding players so harsh to put him up against them as they were all world class.
In my opinion, Robbie was that level below world class. Perhaps at wc 2002 and at times with Ireland and Spurs, he was there or nearly there.
I've been watching Troy for a few years. I think he is a world class 17 year, but a lot to do to become a world class 21 or 22 year old. The talent is there though.
I'm possibly most excited by Knight and Molumby at the current time though.
and 5th highest foreign scorer in the epl...
Three goals in two games would normally ensure you start the next couple, yeah.
No, they lost the league that season by four points to Manchester United, having sold Keane in January, leaving David N'Gog as the main back-up for Fernando Torres. They had a string of draws in the immediate aftermath of dropping an in-form Robbie from the starting line-up, barely even using him from the bench. I always remember the contrast with Fredrico Macheda, who won United four points with late winners in the run-in, which was ultimately what separated the two clubs in the end. Liverpool had a very strong second half to the season without Keane but it wouldn't have taken much of a contribution from him to get Liverpool over the line that year. Benitez cut off his nose to spite his face.
I agree overall that Keane wasn't in the very top bracket of great PL strikers but, as Geysir says, who cares really?! He was very, very good. (Maybe these could be moved to RK's own thread, Tets?).
What's the obsession with debating "how good" Robbie was???
It really mystifys me and I hope he never sees some of the things people say here. Let alone elsewhere.
If I were him I would tattoo 67 on my forehead and let that be that. Because really it should be.
But, I know it's fun to debate things, though. And I'm glad someone mentioned Keane and Berbatov. I remember urging my father, who had long since grown weary of modern football to please watch these two play. They were simply incredible. A joyous thing. And like The Clash (Cut The Crap doesn't count) or The Smiths, it was all genius and over far too quickly. Or maybe when it was just right.
If circumstances were different and Robbie had less of a nomadic club career, I reckon he'd be now in the "world class" bracket, whatever that means. Indeed, I would suggest if he came along now, he'd achieve that exalted status. It was a different time altogether back then.
It's nothing new. It always rankled me that Irish fans put him down given the results and commitment he had for us over the whole span of his career. I'd rate him a smidge behind the best strikers of his generation (and as you say, if he'd found the right team at the right time, who knows what might have been), but people used go on like we should drop him in favour of ... dunno really. David ****ing Connolly?
Wow, had forgotten that volley against Fulham. As well as being a great box player he really did score some goals that were technically very difficult. The one for Liverpool at Arsenal was arguably even better.
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