most people, who go to games, and are not on foot.ie, and post on ybig, and go to away games, and have mates who do the same, and have the same opinions as POS and TOWK, and so forth.Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
it's not what? His manner that bugs me? It is. And yours.
His opinions are not the same as everyone else here. That was i was referring to, and so everyone is jumping in and disagreeing with him broadly.
Ye have all missed the point, its nothing to do with those who go to games etc, its just those who dont post on foot.ie...And go to home games or away games or general interest in irish football etc :P
As i said bad manners on an internet forum, you need to get out a bit more ;-)
Last edited by paul_oshea; 13/03/2014 at 3:07 PM.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
I don't see anything remotely funny about it.
No other country, not just England, would tolerate what he had to put up with in the second half of the Trapattoni era.
Several cases of mistaken identity.
Stuff constantly leaking to the press about the slapstick nature of the way Trapattoni was approaching the job.
The belligerence and complete lack of respect shown towards players like Kevin Foley, Steven Reid and Andy Reid.
Andy Reid. People on here making wisecracks about his weight and professionalism. That's all well and good, and sometimes amusing but when did you ever hear Andy Reid make derogatory remarks about Trapattoni? Never. The lad kept what happened between himself and Trapattoni to himself and I credit him for being the bigger man. Contrast that attitude with Trapattoni.
Several players have went on record as saying that the blow-up shouldn't have happened and that Trapattoni was out of order.
A lot of this seems to get blown by the wayside because it's just us, little Irelanders. What the harm?
No, the majority of his opinions are the same, and have been discussed here before, and agreed upon. Very little of what he has said hasn't been said before
Actually, everyone is disagreeing with specific points he has made, without backing them up with evidence, and proving him wrong
then don't keep using it to validate your opinionsYe have all missed the point, its nothing to do with those who go to games etc, its just those who dont post on foot.ie...
most posters have respect for one another and their opinions (attack the post not the poster, etc) and don't appreciate anyone stepping out of line
I think that was the problem.
You obviously think Trap treated the players appallingly. I think he treated them as professionals. His comments about Stephen Reid were stupid and somewhat misinformed, but he's generally been vindicated by the fact Reid has barely put together a run of games since. On Andy Reid, he was spot on, a man who wasted his talent and is only belatedly realising some of that potential in his mid-thirties. Kevin Foley, he got dropped from a squad at the last minute. It's unfortunate, but sometimes coaches have to make these decisions, and Foley acted like a spoiled brat about it and his career has nosedived since. Darron Gibson was unprofessional in his dealings with Trap, Shane Long has been unprofessional in his public comments about managers. Trap didn't cause these players' problems.
Well said Tets.
Paul knows this full well though. He likes TOWK because he winds up several of those here he has less respect for. That's my suspicion anyway. I've said umpteen times here already that when he uses a spurious means of supporting an argument and fails to accept it when he's been called, that's what irks me and I consider it bad form. I couldn't give a hoot whether he says please or pardon or holds his cutlery the right way.
Anyway, there were far too many misunderstandings and miscommunications during the Trap era. Some of it certainly was Trap's fault, some of it the FAI's and some of it the players'.
I couldn't give a hoot if Kevin Foley's feelings were hurt. Trap made a tough decision, it happens. I think his freezing out of Andy Reid was a terrible misjudgment.
When have I ever attacked a poster? I have never said anything to anyone that hasn't ever been directed at me. There is one poster in particular that makes a habit out of belittling every contribution I make - even off topic - but I have never responded with anything remotely out of hand.
I honestly don't understand why the respect thing is relevant. I have a basic courtesy towards practically every other poster on the site because they have been here longer than me and I am "the new guy". Several times I have complimented several users - Stutts in particular - because I respect their opinions.
The only thing I feel I should apologise for is being too abrasive and assertive in my opinion, but that's all it is - an opinion.
Honestly the impression I get sometimes is that I should just retract everything I say and fall in line with everyone else. Not something I have ever commanded anyone else to do.
Would that make people happy? Because I will gladly do it; but it won't be what I really believe.
There is no need for accusations like that and frankly I think it's a little out of line but hey, it's your prerogative and you're entitled to say it.
Last edited by TheOneWhoKnocks; 13/03/2014 at 5:02 PM.
I thought you were supposed to be off studying for exams?
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
It was a Microsoft Excel assignment and Business Law project. The former has been rescheduled and I handed the latter in already.
TOWK; I think the issue is with your selective picking and choosing of which points to respond to, along with your habitual failure to back up particular claims you make. Rather than admitting any weakness in your argument and possible strength in some other posters' counter-arguments when you're pulled up on something, you tend to just brush matters under the carpet and continue trotting out the same lines over and over. Obviously, there's no obligation upon you to respond to all points raised on an internet forum, but, when it is evident that you have the time to do so because you re-peddle challenged opinions as if they're self-evidently factual, it's common courtesy to at least acknowledge valid counter-arguments and that you may not always be right. In that sense, your manner is mildly ignorant. That's what Tets means when he talks of having respect for other posters and their opinions and what Stutts means when he talks about forum ettiquete, manners or whatever.
As for geysir, he's just winding you up because your defensiveness makes you so easy to wind up. Chill out.
I have opinions that differ to some people, Danny. It's as simple as that. I think the two main things that people challenge me on... well three if you count McGeady... are interpretations of quotes.TOWK; I think the issue is with your selective picking and choosing of which points to respond to, along with your habitual failure to back up particular claims you make. Rather than admitting any weakness in your argument and possible strength in some other posters' counter-arguments when you're pulled up on something, you tend to just brush matters under the carpet and continue trotting out the same lines over and over. Obviously, there's no obligation upon you to respond to all points raised on an internet forum, but, when it is evident that you have the time to do so because you re-peddle challenged opinions as if they're self-evidently factual, it's common courtesy to at least acknowledge valid counter-arguments and that you may not always be right. In that sense, your manner is mildly ignorant. That's what Tets means when he talks of having respect for other posters and their opinions and what Stutts means when he talks about forum ettiquete, manners or whatever.
As for geysir, he's just winding you up because your defensiveness makes you so easy to wind up. Chill out.
I don't think I am being selective. Maybe I am too abrasive or assertive in my interpretations.
It's not malicious, trust me!
I think debate like this is healthy on a forum and it adds life to it.
Certainly. It's all good. I'm not saying you have to have the same opinions as everyone else; just that it's only rational and decent to accept the strength in others' arguments and to back up your claims when pulled up on them.
Tets im all for attacking neither the post or the poster, i'm for reasoned debate.
Perhaps it just didnt irritate me but I thought towk has been fair minded, and Stutts it has nothing to do with having less respect for certain members, i have equal disrespect for you all of you :P Seriously though it's just because to me he talks sense, something I don't see a lot of on here very often. He was a bit OTT on RK, and I don't agree with all his points but generally I find him well informed, realistic and to the point - even if the points are sometimes long. I find it refreshing as said earlier because its what I encounter everywhere but on foot.ie!!
BUt as towk said if we all jumped in line it would be rather boring, and no one should do that.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Why are you even here? You appear to absolutely hate it.
POS you have thousands of posts and I can only presume you've read thousands of threads. Yet you still think it's right on to just talk about posters like we've some kind of dullard hivemind, even though there are literally millions of posts just a click away that disprove that - millions of posts that show the wide variety of disparate opinion on here.
You're either chatting weak, weak sauce or betraying the fact you couldn't be arsed reading anything.
The debate on here tends to be reasoned, well intentioned and articulate. Compared to most football forum cesspits, this place is an oasis.
FOOT.IE AND PROUD BABY!
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
ALL THE WAY TO TERMONBARRY BABY YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHHHHHHhHHHHH!!!
Will you chaps answer me on a question i have been getting for 2 weeks for some reason? I'm being serious. Why is St. Patricks Day not a "big deal" in Ireland? I have me own idea but i want to take it to the experts.
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
It is a big day.thankfully though you didn't call it st patty's day.
Don't you think it slightly ignorant and disingenuous for someone whose sometimes-suspect arguments are challenged with valid arguments to just duck their head in the sand and don a veneer of infallibility, as if nothing else was worthy of even consideration? It's a childish, if not mildly insulting, way to exchange ideas.
What is refreshing about hearing the same thing you hear everywhere else over and over again? Is there anything enriching about that? I usually find it refreshing when I hear and engage with diversity of opinion - I learn more that way - and there's plenty of it on here.
What's the point.
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