Should the 1981 Hungerstrike be Comemorated by the State?

**dcfcsteve** · 24/10/2006, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Only adam's in a bad humour I'd tear into that post...

Are suggesting that there was no event from 1969-c.1998 in Irish history colloqually known as 'The Troubles' ?

Are you suggestig that any other event is so widely known as 'The Troubles' that I would need to differentiate which 'Troubles' I meant ?

In short - what the feck are you on about here Dodge...?

**bennocelt** · 24/10/2006, 2:40 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I agree with you that it was part of the broader struggle, but the average person in the street probably doesn't know exactly what the strike was all about (particularly in the Republic), and would probably be a bit disappointed to learn the mandane level of the strikers demands. Starving yourself for Ireland is seen as glorious -starving yourself for the right to wear whatever jeans you want and to hang out with your buddies in jail wouldn't be seen to have the same ring to it.

Are the Troubles not taught in the South as part of modern Irish History ?

talking about education, you might need a few pointers yourself
it was the right to be recognised as a political prisoner, not an everday common thief or rapist or the like
to say that the fight wasnt a political issue, meant that the IRA and Sinn fein and the fight for irish freedom is just mere thuggery

**wws** · 24/10/2006, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

talking about education, you might need a few pointers yourself
it was the right to be recognised as a political prisoner, not an everday common thief or rapist or the like
to say that the fight wasnt a political issue, meant that the IRA and Sinn fein and the fight for irish freedom is just mere thuggery

actually in the context of our EU membership and where thats going it was just outdated folly.

**Block G Raptor** · 24/10/2006, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

talking about education, you might need a few pointers yourself
it was the right to be recognised as a political prisoner, not an everday common thief or rapist or the like
to say that the fight wasnt a political issue, meant that the IRA and Sinn fein and the fight for irish freedom is just mere thuggery

Agreed although I think Sands himself put it more elequotely "I'll wear no convicts uniform nor meakley do my time that england might call Irelands plight 800 years of CRIME!"

**Dodge** · 24/10/2006, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Are suggesting that there was no event from 1969-c.1998 in Irish history colloqually known as 'The Troubles' ?

Are you suggestig that any other event is so widely known as 'The Troubles' that I would need to differentiate which 'Troubles' I meant ?

In short - what the feck are you on about here Dodge...?

I'm suggesting you don't get irony or sarcasm steve

**Strabane_Harp** · 24/10/2006, 7:46 PM

Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Agreed although I think Sands himself put it more elequotely "I'll wear no convicts uniform nor meakley do my time that england might call Irelands plight 800 years of CRIME!"

I dont think that is a sands quote to be honest

**dcfcsteve** · 24/10/2006, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I'm suggesting you don't get irony or sarcasm steve

D'oh...!

**dcfcsteve** · 24/10/2006, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

talking about education, you might need a few pointers yourself
it was the right to be recognised as a political prisoner, not an everday common thief or rapist or the like
to say that the fight wasnt a political issue, meant that the IRA and Sinn fein and the fight for irish freedom is just mere thuggery

Spot the man who hasn't read all the posts on the thread....

And to be honest - in it's latter years, the IRA and Sinn Fein were increasingly more about thuggery than Irish freedom. Hence drug smuggling, bank robberies, money-laundering, protection rackets, intimidation/assaults/punishment attacks to avenge personal differences etc. What did the McCartney murder do to advance Irish Freedom, for example.... ?

**bennocelt** · 26/10/2006, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Spot the man who hasn't read all the posts on the thread....

And to be honest - in it's latter years, the IRA and Sinn Fein were increasingly more about thuggery than Irish freedom. Hence drug smuggling, bank robberies, money-laundering, protection rackets, intimidation/assaults/punishment attacks to avenge personal differences etc. What did the McCartney murder do to advance Irish Freedom, for example.... ?

cleared the streets of druggies and their imps

i have read all the posts

as another poster put it better than me........the irish fight for freedom is an act of criminality, ?
thats a handy thing for the brits to say, considering their history

**Lionel Ritchie** · 26/10/2006, 11:57 AM

cleared the streets of druggies and their imps

Well they do like a clear run.

It's amazing the results you can get when you fast-track justice so much that all it requires is a stop off at the local sports store for some nice weighted hurleys and a nip next door to the hardware store for a few grand strong carpenters nails.

Cleared the streets of druggies my hole.

**dcfcsteve** · 26/10/2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

cleared the streets of druggies and their imp

Holy fcuk - are you for real ?? I can assure you there were no issues getting your hands on any form of narcotics whilst I was growing up in Derry. The source of those narcotics, often had a direct paramilitary route, or had a blind eye turned to it where it didn't. The only drug dealers in the nationalist north to get knee-capped were either the ones who fell-out with a memeber of the provos, or those who got too big for the boots and/or didn't want to pass on their 'tax'. Hence, very few people ever got attacked for drug dealing, even though plenty of people were doing it and a lot of people knew who they were. And yet the drugs just kept on flowing. Your niavety is frightening....

Originally Posted by bennocelt

as another poster put it better than me........the irish fight for freedom is an act of criminality, ?
thats a handy thing for the brits to say, considering their history

Attacking soldiers, police etc is one thing. Extortion, bank robberies, protection rackets, intimidation and viiolence on the basis of personal grudges
- none of those advance the course of Irish freedom. In fact, they arguably put the cause back by creating resentment and a sense of injustice amongst the very support base for that 'struggle'. And they are all criminal activities, no matter who is saying it, who was doing it, or how you look at it.

You have a shockingly naive view of recent Irish history

**bennocelt** · 26/10/2006, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Holy fcuk - are you for real ?? . Your niavety is frightening....

And they are all criminal activities, no matter who is saying it, who was doing it, or how you look at it.

You have a shockingly naive view of recent Irish history

are you John Hume in disguise

**dcfcsteve** · 26/10/2006, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

are you John Hume in disguise

Are you in denial ?

Wake up to what the north was like during the troubles Benno. It wasn't some misty-eyed glorious struggle of brave and pure fenian soliers marching out to meet the Saxon foe in Ireland's name. It was a bloody horrible messy conflict, with a large dollop of pure unadulterated criminality welded to its side.

Are you even from the north ?

**Strabane_Harp** · 26/10/2006, 5:47 PM

As much as im a committed republican socialist, i have to agree with steve.

There is no such thing as a romantic war. War is just a nice way of saying there are a lot of murders going round

**cheifo** · 27/10/2006, 1:02 AM

100% SH, lets hope we've seen the end of it.

**bennocelt** · 27/10/2006, 6:54 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Are you in denial ?

Wake up to what the north was like during the troubles Benno. It wasn't some misty-eyed glorious struggle of brave and pure fenian soliers marching out to meet the Saxon foe in Ireland's name. It was a bloody horrible messy conflict, with a large dollop of pure unadulterated criminality welded to its side.

Are you even from the north ?

i never said it was a bed of roses, but ireland is partitioned whether you like it or not

no, im from iraq

**pete** · 27/10/2006, 12:08 PM

Moderator: Can we keep this on the original topic please. Current day SF or IRA activities can be discussed in new thread.

**Dodge** · 27/10/2006, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Are you even from the north ?

At this point I'd like to remind you of This post, this post and this post

Yes I'm petty and yes I remember everything....

**wws** · 27/10/2006, 12:28 PM

haha

i have to take time out form my busy day shamrock baiting to giggle at that

btw - to add further fuel to this contoversy I just found out that DCFCSTEVE is actually Stephen Kenny