The John Delaney Discussion thread

**Billsthoughts** · 09/10/2006, 11:59 AM

good points well made.
just a couple a things....
do the people who are delighted that Ireland are doing crap now cause the fans all support brit teams not know that the same man who presided over this shambles is about to take over the running of their league?
also why dont fans of EL teams try and get elected as clubs rep on FAI and push for the reforms mentioned above?
(thats a genuine question so if the answer is a blindingly obvious negative apologies....)

**youngirish** · 09/10/2006, 12:56 PM

Three things I'd like to see happening in this order:

1. Delaney must go. We've turned into a complete joke in footballing terms since he took over.

2. Staunton must go too. How he got the job I'll never know but he's even worse than anyone could have expected.

3. The underage teams and their associated managers need a complete overhaul. At least Kerr gave us success at underage level and we all know success breeds success. The fact Givens has kept his job as U21 manager for as long as he has speaks volumes for what's wrong with the whole FAI. Losing is not ok at any level.

As for the comments regarding we don't have the players. We have far better players on paper than both Scotland and Northern Ireland we just need the organisation and the people around them to motivate them and organise them correctly.

**pineapple stu** · 09/10/2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

also why dont fans of EL teams try and get elected as clubs rep on FAI and push for the reforms mentioned above?
(thats a genuine question so if the answer is a blindingly obvious negative apologies....)

The blindingly obvious answer is, of course, that you can't do things like that as a club rep or you'll get your club in trouble (not just a fine; bullying from the FAI that's much harder to deal with). You can't get a separate organisation - like the NLSA - involved as the FAI simply won't vote anyone who strays a modicum away from official line into any sort of position of power. And for all the complaining that you do, there is absolutely nothing the FAI has to do about any of it. They will do what they want, and complaining won't make them change their mind, and voting them out won't happen because Delaney has ensured that the people who matter are all loyal to him.

**Stuttgart88** · 09/10/2006, 1:54 PM

Who would people's ideal choice be to run the FAI?

Can someone remind me on what issue exactly did Rooney resign over?

**pineapple stu** · 09/10/2006, 5:07 PM

Surely Brian Kerr?

Can't remember why he quit, but do a search and you'll find it here. The thread was dragged up recently, as I recall.

**onenilgameover** · 09/10/2006, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Surely Brian Kerr?

Can't remember why he quit, but do a search and you'll find it here. The thread was dragged up recently, as I recall.

http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=...ht=fran+rooney

**Keithdaly** · 09/10/2006, 5:56 PM

Originally Posted by el punter

In fairness neither Stan nor Delaney let the ball doink off their head to give the Cypriots an easy goal, or put in a park football tackle in the box to give away a needless penalty. Andy O'Brien on the other hand did both. Paddy Kenny also gave a goal away.

Ultimately we had 14 highly paid professional footballers representing our country who could not summon the collective nous to beat one of the weakest teams in Europe.

Yes, the management of the FAI and the Ireland team itself may be all wrong, but the players are the most culpable for this defeat.

It was the FAI/Delaney who appointed Staunton. It is Stauntons job to pick, organise and motivate the team. A Leinster Senior League selection could have kept Cyprus to 3 goals. Everybody responsible for the hiring of Staunton should be fired.

**Stuttgart88** · 09/10/2006, 9:03 PM

Well said youngirish. Don Givens keeping his job in the face of abject failure could only happen at the FAI. It's a scandal in itself.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 09/10/2006, 9:49 PM

Delaney should go.

Partizan I am amazed at you standing up for him. He's the muppet who presided over the squandering of the money raised in your club from the PLC Share issue, a waste of money which your club is only now , 7 -8 years afterwards slowly recovering from.
And I am a shareholder in the club for the record.

**pete** · 09/10/2006, 9:52 PM

There is oly 1 reason to keep John Delaney - the next guy could be worse. Don't know if that enough of a reason though.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 09/10/2006, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by pete

There is oly 1 reason to keep John Delaney - the next guy could be worse. Don't know if that enough of a reason though.

How could he be worse? This is a man who wants to catapult teams into the Eircom FAI Premier League not on merit, but on some notional geographical based aspirational attendance notion. There's a reason why Dundalk,Galway United and Limerick F.C. and Athlone Town etc are not in the Premier Division.
THEIR TEAMS HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR ALMOST A DECADE!

**eirebhoy** · 10/10/2006, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by pete

There is oly 1 reason to keep John Delaney - the next guy could be worse. Don't know if that enough of a reason though.

All that is needed is someone who has experience as a chief exec at club level so you can judge how well he performed in that role.

**DonegalDub** · 10/10/2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by el punter

In fairness neither Stan nor Delaney let the ball doink off their head to give the Cypriots an easy goal, or put in a park football tackle in the box to give away a needless penalty. Andy O'Brien on the other hand did both. Paddy Kenny also gave a goal away.

Ultimately we had 14 highly paid professional footballers representing our country who could not summon the collective nous to beat one of the weakest teams in Europe.

Yes, the management of the FAI and the Ireland team itself may be all wrong, but the players are the most culpable for this defeat.

Sorry, but this is not true. If all you had to do was put eleven players on a pitch there would be no need for anyone to manage the side, would there? And no need for anyone to appoint that manager in the first place. Imagine a world without John Delaneys?!?!?!

I'm afraid the result was down to a man who overreached himself and thought he was up to the job. Saying that, though, he only applied/took a call. Delaney appointed him on what basis? Delaney must go with Stan.

**kingp35** · 10/10/2006, 11:52 AM

Delaney has got to go. Ultimately it was he who made the decision to appoint Stan after promising all us fans a "world class manager". There is no way he can live that down and so he has to resign. Sadly, I dont think he will.

**greendeiseboy** · 10/10/2006, 12:02 PM

i'm new to this forum and this is my first input but have been logging on to site for somtime now so go easy on me in your responses.

my opinion is that both staunton and delaney should go for basically the folowing reasons:

1. in the first place staunton should not have been appoited as manager. imo he should have been appointed perhaps at best as assistant manager alongside an experienced manager brought in (who has no interest in a long term contract) with the view of stepping down after three to four years when staunton had gained enough experience to take the reins on his own.

2. Staunton was aware at the time of his appointment what he was leaving himself into and so was delaney why else would they afford him the luxury of an advisor. surely simple calculations of their combined salary would amount to almost as much as appointing the 1st class manager that we were promised by delaney.

3. roy keane has taken over at sunderland with no experience in management and it has to be said that so far is doing a reasonable job - with a lot of our current senior squad and fringe players and surely the opposition they meet week in week out are of a higher standard than the majority of the cypriot squad.

4. staunton is harping on about being in a transition period - but the majority of those on display for us on saturday are playing regular premiership football.

i dont think delaney will be sacked or resign for the reason that it will show that he is at fault and the same will go for staunton

but surely in the end fan power will win the day - after all if we show enough discontent we will have to win through - unless a miracle occurs and things do turn around.

**Newryrep** · 10/10/2006, 12:21 PM

Delaney will not resign - not a hope, he was asked numerous times when Staunton was appointed if it didnt work out would HE resign and he always gave the stock answer " it was a unanimous decision by the commitee etc etc "

**Stuttgart88** · 10/10/2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

i'm new to this forum and this is my first input but have been logging on to site for somtime now so go easy on me in your responses.

staunton is harping on about being in a transition period - but the majority of those on display for us on saturday are playing regular premiership football.

Some of us are actually quite friendly around here. Welcome aboard. It's addictive and massively reduces your productivity at work.

Agree about the lame excuse about the transition. Only Stephen Ireland fits the "youth" excuse he was hiding behind in this morning's Irish Times. All week people have misunderstood his building for the future nonsense. The reality is that those he picked to play have hundreds of caps between them. 130+ in the back 4 alone I think.

**Stuttgart88** · 10/10/2006, 12:53 PM

More bewildering shyte from the FAI:

When asked whether a heavy defeat to the Czech Republic would alter the stance of the FAI, Blood replied: 'No. Positively no. We have given Stephen an opportunity to come in and he has taken our situation forward to the degree we now have a highly professional backroom staff.'

The bold type is mine.

I thought Kerr had a highly professional backroom staff, no? At least his physio was actually a physio.

**DonegalDub** · 10/10/2006, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

3. roy keane has taken over at sunderland with no experience in management and it has to be said that so far is doing a reasonable job - with a lot of our current senior squad and fringe players and surely the opposition they meet week in week out are of a higher standard than the majority of the cypriot squad.

4. staunton is harping on about being in a transition period - but the majority of those on display for us on saturday are playing regular premiership football.

Re 3: Am I right in saying that about half the Cypriot team were on the side beaten by Cork City?

4. Dead on .... this rebuilding nonsense is a red herring and nobody is taking up the point with him on it. the media are in general letting him off the hook (excuse bad pun)

**pineapple stu** · 10/10/2006, 12:59 PM

No. The Cyprus team had no Apollon players. It did, however, have six domestic players - i.e. who had finished below Apollon in the league. The Apollon team was very much a foreign team - Iraqis, Greeks, Syrians, etc. Not that many Cypriots on it, from what I can recall.