Staunton & FAI insult to eL players

**pete** · 07/10/2006, 7:19 PM

So we've had the token gestures of calling eL players up to the squad when nothing at stake but with 9 players out injured Staunton prefers reserve team & lower english league players to the eL. Ireland lose 5-2.

Says a lot when Henderson playing lower League One in england gets in as 2nd choice keeper when the likes of Mick Devine has 2/3 of his league games as clean sheets this season & performed very well in europe in last few years.

Andy O'Brien plays reserve Premiership football & even starts the game.

Alan O'Brien another reserve Premiership player comes off the bench.

**Soper** · 07/10/2006, 7:24 PM

I agree, it is terrible.It is also an insult to players that are playing well at the moment, namely McPhail at Cardiff, as well as the EL players who would undoubtedley make more of an effort.

**dfx-** · 07/10/2006, 7:28 PM

Andy O'Brien plays reserve Premiership football & even starts the game.

Alan O'Brien another reserve Premiership player comes off the bench.

Can anyone tell me who Jonathan Douglas is or who he plays for etc. The first time I've heard of him was on the sideline with 10 minutes to go tonight.

Red&White · 07/10/2006, 7:29 PM

That was an absolute disgrace tonight. I'm not normally one for for flying off the handle on the basis of one result, but that was a shambles, an embaresment and one of the worse Irish results of the last 20 years. I don't care what anyone says, our top EL players would have acquitted themselves far better tonight than those 'internationals' who were out there. They would have shown more heart, more willingness to fight, and more discipline. It's a farce that our top players, in the middle of a very competative season, and who have played in Europe in some cases, were overlooked and ignored. Staunton will get slaughtered for this in the press, but I doubt any of them will suggest bringing in some EL players either. At this rate, I'd be worried about ebing shown up by San Marino, let alone Wednesday's opponents.

**gustavo** · 07/10/2006, 8:03 PM

Lads i dont argue that eL players could make an impact but it is a bit silly to say that they would automatically make more of an effort or be super patriotic just because of the league they play in,.

**pete** · 07/10/2006, 8:06 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Lads i dont argue that eL players could make an impact but it is a bit silly to say that they would automatically make more of an effort or be super patriotic just because of the league they play in,.

There are eL players better than some the team & the squad used tonight.

**Billy Lord** · 07/10/2006, 8:23 PM

What goes around, comes around. Tonight's result was the culmination of 30-odd years hoping that British clubs would provide us with internationals while Irish football just curled up and died.
Maybe someone, somewhere, with a brain and some imagination will realise that we need to develop the game at home to provide the national team with any hope of a sustainable future rather than hoping for a few decent players to grow from the weeds here at home and get plucked by British clubs.

**sonofstan** · 07/10/2006, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Lord

What goes around, comes around. Tonight's result was the culmination of 30-odd years hoping that British clubs would provide us with internationals while Irish football just curled up and died.
Maybe someone, somewhere, with a brain and some imagination will realise that we need to develop the game at home to provide the national team with any hope of a sustainable future rather than hoping for a few decent players to grow from the weeds here at home and get plucked by British clubs.

Same point as made by Feech on another thread below and dead on.

**pineapple stu** · 07/10/2006, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by d f x-

Can anyone tell me who Jonathan Douglas is or who he plays for etc. The first time I've heard of him was on the sideline with 10 minutes to go tonight.

Blackburn, I think. He came on against Holland and was one of our better palyers. Which, of course, has to be taken relatively.

Originally Posted by Red & White

one of the worse Irish results of the last 20 years.

Name me a worse result ever? Even Liechtenstein was an aberration - the ball just wouldn't go in. Here, 5-2 was a fair reflection. We were maybe even lucky it wasn't more. Against, with all due respect, Cyprus...

**Aaron** · 07/10/2006, 8:33 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/5416486.stm

Refuses to walk away!! Claims he has a lot to offer!!

**dfx-** · 07/10/2006, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Blackburn, I think. He came on against Holland and was one of our better palyers. Which, of course, has to be taken relatively.

So he (might) play in the Premiership for a decent-ish/effective team and still I'd never heard of him. I could understand it more if he was playing for Mansfield. Says more about the selection policy really.

**John83** · 07/10/2006, 8:45 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/5416486.stm

Refuses to walk away!! Claims he has a lot to offer!!

FFS.

Would those Bohz lads who drove Mahon out come out of retirement for one last campaign please?

From the article:

...I have full faith in myself...

You, sir, are a moron.

**pete** · 07/10/2006, 8:45 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Blackburn, I think. He came on against Holland and was one of our better palyers. Which, of course, has to be taken relatively.

He was released by them & now back at Leeds after spending last season on loan there.

**Dodge** · 07/10/2006, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by d f x-

Can anyone tell me who Jonathan Douglas is or who he plays for etc. The first time I've heard of him was on the sideline with 10 minutes to go tonight.

Funnily enough, he's ex League of Ireland, played with Monaghan when he was 16/17...

**Fivesilver** · 07/10/2006, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

Claims he has a lot to offer

His resignation might be a good start.

**Poor Student** · 07/10/2006, 9:31 PM

There's no point in saying such and such an eL player would have done better. You had the likes of Duff, Keane, Dunne, McGeady etc. out there. Players who can perform well for their club on the big stage with big pressure. Staunton somehow makes the sum of the parts worse than its constituent parts. It's his fault. Your fantasy eL IX or whatever it is exactly that you're dreaming about would still be crap.

**Dodge** · 07/10/2006, 9:33 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

There's no point in saying such and such an eL player would have done better. You had the likes of Duff, Keane, Dunne, McGeady etc. out there. Players who can perform well for their club on the big stage with big pressure. Staunton somehow makes the sum of the parts worse than its constituent parts. It's his fault. Your fantasy eL IX or whatever it is exactly that you're dreaming about would still be crap.

Agreed. NOBODY knew the league better than Kerr and he didn't bother picking them. Not a political thing as nobody is more pro LOI than him but they're simply not good enough

They'd have tried though

**pete** · 07/10/2006, 9:35 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

You had the likes of Duff, Keane, Dunne, McGeady etc. out there.

Yes i agree but are picking the best players from tonights game.

Are you saying no eL players better than Kenny, Morrisson, St Ledger, McShane, both O'Briens, Douglas, Lee?

**Poor Student** · 07/10/2006, 9:39 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Yes i agree but are picking the best players from tonights game.

Are you saying no eL players better than Kenny, Morrisson, St Ledger, McShane, both O'Briens, Douglas, Lee?

I'm saying that even the stars looked crap, so I can't even begin to imagine how the top eL players would look under him. Formation, teamwork, cohesion all looked so off. We looked like Bray Wanderers.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 07/10/2006, 9:58 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I'm saying that even the stars looked crap, so I can't even begin to imagine how the top eL players would look under him. Formation, teamwork, cohesion all looked so off. We looked like Bray Wanderers.

But maybe the stars are p�ssed off that they have Stan as manager. They are all used to management of very high quality. Maybe they are simply fed up with Stan and couldn't be arsed giving their all under Stan. Eircom League players would have jumped at the opportunity to play for their country.

Devine, Ryan and Quigley would have put in a much better performance than Kenny and are all far better keepers than Henderson.

Jason Gavin, Owen Heary, and even Conor Kenna, Alan McNally and Tony McDonnel would have done a better job in defence tonight.

Joe Gamble, Ciaran Martyn, Barry Molloy, George O'Callaghan, Kevin Deery, Roy O'Donovan in midfield.

Jason Byrne up front.

All EL players that, IMO, are better than players in the current Irish squad.