New Irish manager

**NeilMcD** · 02/01/2008, 4:12 PM

I think its funny that you used small club for leeds and big club for Sunderland. Subtle things but it gave an impression to your post that was not truely accurate.

**ramsfan** · 02/01/2008, 4:32 PM

what annoys me is that in order to penny pinch we are delaying and delaying all the time the list is shortening, anybody with have a ounce of success is not going to be on the market for long, what will end up happening is the cream on the top will be snapped upa nd we will be left with the sour milk left below.
as for brady/ oleary if they are that good an option for ireland why havent they been snapped up by a premiership/championship side, if people like glenn roeder etc can get the job at norwich ahead of oleary etc doesnt say much for them

**cavan_fan** · 02/01/2008, 5:09 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think its funny that you used small club for leeds and big club for Sunderland. Subtle things but it gave an impression to your post that was not truely accurate.

What I meant (and maybe wasnt very clear on) is that in terms of European football Leeds were a small fish. In terms of being promoted to the Prem Sunderland were a very big fish (with huge attendances).

**cavan_fan** · 02/01/2008, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by ramsfan

what annoys me is that in order to penny pinch we are delaying and delaying all the time the list is shortening, anybody with have a ounce of success is not going to be on the market for long, what will end up happening is the cream on the top will be snapped upa nd we will be left with the sour milk left below.
as for brady/ oleary if they are that good an option for ireland why havent they been snapped up by a premiership/championship side, if people like glenn roeder etc can get the job at norwich ahead of oleary etc doesnt say much for them

Nobody wants to snap up Brady cos he's sh*t. With O'Leary I think the perceived personality issues are a problem. He is not very loyal to chairmen so if you were a jumped up chairman you wouldnt want him. Also he has been out of the limelight for a while and doesnt do media work so it is a bit out of sight out of mind. I think after a year out its hard to get back on the merry go round. If you notice whenever a job comes up it is recently sacked managers or ones in work that are looked at. Someone wiser than me once said that club management is an area that is hard to get into and harder to get out of.

**Bondvillain** · 03/01/2008, 12:22 AM

To experience the current regard that the FAI are held in within footballing circles, do the following little exercise -

Just imagine tomorrow morning that ANY club in the English premiership sack their manager, with the chairman saying that it is imperative that the post is filled ASAP.

Now imagine how many of the current favourites for the Ireland job (Venables, O Leary, Hoddle, Brady, Giles.....) would be considered as being even an outsider for the post.

We are nowhere, and it's the FAI's fault.

**GavinZac** · 03/01/2008, 12:45 AM

Why the hell are we basing our criteria on the english premiership when we are a country with a population barely exceeding that of Birmingham and with less professional football clubs too?

**Bondvillain** · 03/01/2008, 2:27 AM

I personally wasn't basing the criteria on the premiership, simply offering a hypothetical exercise, but if that was what you were interpreting it as, does that mean we should consider that currently being the manager at Derby, Wigan, Fulham or even Newcastle is a more exclusive & attractive proposition that being the Manager of an international side that (arguably) has decent potential in the immediate future?

If so, I feel that's a tad defeatist.

**Ordinary Fan** · 03/01/2008, 3:50 PM

There is no gurantee of sucess in appointing a manager. Jack's club record left a lot to be desired and aside from playing international/european football he had no experience here either. He was sucess because he had a system which he believed would work and dropped any players who were not prepared to do what he wanted.

The FAI need to get on with appointing a manager be it Brady (no Thanks),Venables (past it) or O Leary(my boys) on the basis that they have a plan or system for qualifying for South Africa. This delay keeps narrowing the options and there does not seem to be any end in sight. But big Sam will be available next week so all is not lost yet!

**Drumcondra 69er** · 03/01/2008, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ordinary Fan

There is no gurantee of sucess in appointing a manager. Jack's club record left a lot to be desired and aside from playing international/european football he had no experience here either. He was sucess because he had a system which he believed would work and dropped any players who were not prepared to do what he wanted.

The FAI need to get on with appointing a manager be it Brady (no Thanks),Venables (past it) or O Leary(my boys) on the basis that they have a plan or system for qualifying for South Africa. This delay keeps narrowing the options and there does not seem to be any end in sight. But big Sam will be available next week so all is not lost yet!

Not so, he won Manager of the year in his first season becoming the first man outside the top flight to do it, ressseructed Wednesday after they'd nearly dropped to Division 4 and did ok at Newcastle before getting ****ed off with the fans.

Big Sam is interesting, would his tenure at Newcastle go against him getting another Premier job if he was to get sacked?

**eekers** · 03/01/2008, 4:45 PM

the problem with fat sam at newcastle is that his teams dont play the type of football that newcastle fans think they deserve. they see themselves as a flair team (because of the way keegans team played), this already has led to the sacking of 'boring' dalglish and the appointment of gullit with his bull**** promise of 'sexy football'.

allardyce has no real chance of getting another premier league job if he sacked this season as there's simply none available. 6 clubs have new managers and the only two i can see being anywer near the sack are southgate and megson. would he go from newcastle to boro? or back to bolton?

**colster** · 03/01/2008, 5:27 PM

Just checked the odds with paddy power and Jurgen Klinsmann is at 16-1 the same as Houllier, Coppell and Hoddle.
What do you think?

**Den Perry** · 03/01/2008, 5:34 PM

colster....what are all the odds on the various canditates?

**geysir** · 03/01/2008, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bondvillain

I personally wasn't basing the criteria on the premiership, simply offering a hypothetical exercise, but if that was what you were interpreting it as, does that mean we should consider that currently being the manager at Derby, Wigan, Fulham or even Newcastle is a more exclusive & attractive proposition that being the Manager of an international side that (arguably) has decent potential in the immediate future? If so, I feel that's a tad defeatist.

Face it,
McLeish left Scotland for Birmingham,
Hughes leaves Wales for Blackburn,
Hodgson chooses Fulham,
Sanchez Left NI for Fulham,
Jewell chooses Derby,
all relegation to mid table EPL standard.
When national team manager, they were doing well and were in demand to continue with or take on with a national team.

**macdermesser** · 03/01/2008, 7:49 PM

Originally Posted by colster

Just checked the odds with paddy power and Jurgen Klinsmann is at 16-1 the same as Houllier, Coppell and Hoddle.
What do you think?

Yes .. I can see that .. its a natural progression for him Germany - Ireland - Walsall - Ashtown Villa.

not a bleedin chance!

**Noelys Guitar** · 03/01/2008, 8:33 PM

Originally Posted by macdermesser

Yes .. I can see that .. its a natural progression for him Germany - Ireland - Walsall - Ashtown Villa.

not a bleedin chance!

Otto Klinsmann current manager/coach of "high flying" FC Von Dufflebag in the Cologne 11th Division was mistakingly inteviewed today by the so-called 3 man committee. The 2 Don's and Rayo became alarmed when a balding, grossly overweight Herr Klinsmann showed up ****ed wearing Leiderhousen and proclaiming loudly that he would appoint Roddy Collins as his assistant.

**bennocelt** · 03/01/2008, 9:38 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Complete and utter ******. I admire Hoddle the player. Name me a player he has humilitated. Rubbish. Hoddle for manager!!!!!!!!

surely you are having a laugh here
that or you have little knowledge of the game

**eekers** · 03/01/2008, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

surely you are having a laugh here
that or you have little knowledge of the game

how much did noely wager on hoddle

**Noelys Guitar** · 04/01/2008, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by eekers

how much did noely wager on hoddle

All my dosh went on Houllier and Hodgson. I should place a bet on Hoddle as that would ensure he would never get the job. The really horrible thing is there are maybe 10 or so even worse candidates than Hoddle being interviewed. Delaney said weeks ago he favoured a non-British style manager then went and called Jewell. So Jewell was a serious contender and definetely not a non-British style manager. Houghton came out and said the candidates consisted of the usual suspects and I believe him. What seems to have happened is that Delaney (possibly with prompting from Giles) has delayed the process hoping that candidates like Coppell or Houllier would put themselves forward for the job by resigning from their jobs. That now looks unlikely and instead we are left with the 400,000pa managers.

**irishfan86** · 04/01/2008, 12:50 AM

The frustrating thing here is that we've increased the pay by more than double, but the quality of candidates hasn't risen noticeably.

Certainly these managers would have been fantastic candidates in the 80s, but this is 2008 FFS!

**Pauro 76** · 04/01/2008, 6:40 AM

Here's one that may not have been mentioned. Chris Coleman. Did well at Fulham for a bit. Played good football. Mourinho rated him highly. Spanish league experience (well Ligue 1 anyway), surely a better option than Venables and the likes. Allardyce even. He was good enough for England last season. And he started out at Limerick like he keeps saying.