New Irish manager

Where does this leave us now, hiddink is gone with Russia, Hodgson available, beerhaker gone with russia, venables available ( unfortunately ). He didnt even seem to care when England scored, though he was nail biting at the end.

Technically, English and Irish players are not as good as their continental counter-parts. From years of playing on muddy pitches imho. So 4-4-2 is the best formation. It's put the opposition under pressure and doesn't allow them time on the ball. How often 4-5-1 has been a disaster for teams from these islands? It's a joke and Venables, the assistant last night to McLaren, no doubt was the prime mover in that formation. Don't let him within an ass's roar of the Irish job.

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

From years of playing on muddy pitches imho.

Didn't seem to help England last night

Originally Posted by onephillyhughes

I support Engerland

Freudian typo?

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Technically, English and Irish players are not as good as their continental counter-parts. From years of playing on muddy pitches imho. So 4-4-2 is the best formation. It's put the opposition under pressure and doesn't allow them time on the ball. How often 4-5-1 has been a disaster for teams from these islands? It's a joke and Venables, the assistant last night to McLaren, no doubt was the prime mover in that formation. Don't let him within an ass's roar of the Irish job.

To be fair, our 2 most impressive games in this campaign (Czechs and Slovaks at home) were when we used an "attacking" 4-5-1...I actually think its our most suitable formation to be honest!

Technically, English and Irish players are not as good as their continental counter-parts. From years of playing on muddy pitches imho. So 4-4-2 is the best formation. It's put the opposition under pressure and doesn't allow them time on the ball. How often 4-5-1 has been a disaster for teams from these islands? It's a joke and Venables, the assistant last night to McLaren, no doubt was the prime mover in that formation. Don't let him within an ass's roar of the Irish job.

Great post, ye know, it could well be that. We don't get time in muddy pitches to hold the ball up and pass it around as ye lose possession to easily, so told to "boot it up the field, get rid of that fcuken thing and stop messing round". Whereas our continental counterparts play about with it on the ground and hold it up, and are very good in tight areas.

it is beyond belief that venebles is even being mentioned. cant remember who but i heard him included on some sports writers shortlist of 3 managers for the Irish job. what has he ever done in management worth talking about?
id have stan back before i would accept venebles. he is nothing more than a smarmy smart ass, self serving failure who has destroyed some of the clubs he has been with. the fact that he has just been sacked and is available worries me greatly

As posted above, Independent newspapers are virtually acting as his agent.

James Lawton, Dion Fanning, Paul Hyland...

I'd rather have Big Ron than El Tel. That sunbed using fraud must have a lot of contacts in the print media for all these journalists to be getting so excited about him in their columns.

i once met terry venables in oneills in leicester square

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Great post, ye know, it could well be that. We don't get time in muddy pitches to hold the ball up and pass it around as ye lose possession to easily, so told to "boot it up the field, get rid of that fcuken thing and stop messing round". Whereas our continental counterparts play about with it on the ground and hold it up, and are very good in tight areas.

it is slightly wrong to assume that our pitches are any worse than those on the continent. if you talk to any spanish young lad, for example, they will tell you that the pitches they played on were usually hard, dusty and bumby surfaces. any foreign lads from spain, south italy etc that have joined the club i play for are delighted to see a bit of grass when they come to play here. obviously not comparable with players playing club / international level but all players in a country will start off playing on such pitches until they are nabbed by a professional club.

i think that the lack of technical ability is more to do with culture, tradition and what the crowds attending the matches expect. the british footballing public, for example, wouldnt have the patience for the style of play as seen in the italian or spanish lges. rather they expect the ball to be lumped forward at 100 miles an hour and expect the ball to be pinging around the pen area for 90 mins

If Venables gets the Ireland job my heart will be broken. I don't think I could take it. I'd seriously consider stopping going to Ireland games. The man is a fraud and a sham and it's not just that he has no links to Ireland (that's fine by me) it's that he appears somehow the opposite of everything you'd want in an Irish manager or indeed an Irishman. I can't imagine him even having Irish friends other than bejewelled property developers.

I didn't think I could hate Independent Newspapers any more than I already did, but I do now.

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Technically, English and Irish players are not as good as their continental counter-parts.

I don't think technique is the problem. England have some of the best passers in the world. They have some skillful players too. What they're missing is the playmakers, the brains. That's where the fabulous one touch passing comes from of the better continental teams.

Anyway, I can't believe Venables is favourite. I really hope the FAI have sense here.

After last night I think Delaney's reported preference for a "non British/Irish" focused manager may be spot on.
I think we need to re-focus our game. When you look at Croatia last night. They had no qualms in playing Modric a very skillful but slight player. IMO he was the best player on the pitch. We have a couple of players in A.Reid and S.Ireland, while not as good as Modric, we have struggled to integrate both of them into the side. I think this is down to the "British" mentality of not trusting these types of players i.e. "lazy" players.

The rest of the side was big and athletic though. Kovac in midfield is a giant! And 36 years old.

Will the joke be on us after cheering the Croats to the rafters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Queiroz

Would he be a good selection as manager? He's had great success at Youth Level for Portugal. Has manage South Africa and Real Madrid. Has good English. Probably has a good knowledge of Irish players in the Premiership.

Good article this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2910642.ece
Not really sure what thread to post it in, this seemed a best fit

Originally Posted by geysir

Will the joke be on us after cheering the Croats to the rafters?

Some of the candidates being proposed will have me hanging from the rafters.

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I don't think technique is the problem. England have some of the best passers in the world. They have some skillful players too. What they're missing is the playmakers, the brains. That's where the fabulous one touch passing comes from of the better continental teams.

Anyway, I can't believe Venables is favourite. I really hope the FAI have sense here.

Technique is definitely the problem IMO. Whilst England have players who can accurately pass the ball, they don't really have anyone with any great vision. Beckham is a fantastic passer but IMO he hasn't got much vision. Gerrard is probably their player with the most vision. Without vision, and like you say, brains, you can thread accurate passes all game but you won't get far with it.

We have a better player in this regard (probably going to get slaughtered for this) in Andy Reid. Look at the goal he set up for Keane at home to Israel. England players wouldn't be able to do that very often.

Last night I was flicking between the England and NI games and it struck me just how much better Spain were playing in this regard than England. They were threading passes together with ease and were always creating space for each other.