New Irish manager

**macdermesser** · 23/10/2007, 2:20 PM

Souness ruled himself out of the Bolton job today .. hope there is no significance in that regarding the Irish job ..

**Metrostars** · 23/10/2007, 2:40 PM

What about Chris Hughton? He's been an assistant coach at Spurs for a long time and also worked with Kerr.

**Metrostars** · 23/10/2007, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

Eh is Van Gaal not the man that completely threw away the match in Lansdowne by taking off his most threatening players (Overmars and Zenden) and threw on 4 strikers with Hasselbaink playing right wing?

I'll admit that's pretty much all I know about him but wasn't impressed! Now if you'll excuse me i'm off to wikipedia...

Edit - yeah pretty good record alright...major problem though, he's under contrat with AZ till 2010 so I'm pretty sure the FAI wouldn't fancy buying him out of his contract after paying Stan off...

Next...

Yes the same Van Gaal who has won

1 x Champions League: 1994-95 (with Ajax)
1 x Intercontinental Cup: 1994-95 (with Ajax)
1 x UEFA Cup: 1991-92 (with Ajax)
2 x European Supercup: 1995-96 (with Ajax), 1997-98 (with FC Barcelona)
3 x Dutch Eredivisie: 1993-94, 1994-95, 1995-96, (with Ajax) plus in 2003-04 (as Technical Director)
1 x Dutch Cup: 1992-93 (with Ajax)
3 x Johan Cruijff-schaal: 1993-94, 1994-95, 1995-96 (with Ajax)
2 x Spanish League: 1997-98, 1998-99 (with FC Barcelona)
1 x Spanish Cup: 1997-98 (with FC Barcelona)
1 x Rinus Michels Award (2007)

**Noelys Guitar** · 23/10/2007, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

I see Roy Hodgson has entered the Paddy Power charts with a bullit, at 16/1.

I played a part in that. Got him at 50/1 and have Houllier at 40/1. Mind you I had Venables and MON the last time a big odds and look what happened there!

**Adrianovic** · 23/10/2007, 2:46 PM

Interesting to see the Cyprus boss is second favourite with WillHill in England.

Not sure what sort of pedigree he has outside of beating us and Wales, but he'd be cheap - so will probably look like a good option to the FAI.

I'd not mind someone who has assistant managerial experience, such as Neeskens or Quieroz, but I think Hughton has been too close to past failures before.

Looking down the list, it is hard not to feel positive as all options, perhaps with the exception of Dunphy, are unquestionably more suited to the job than Stan is.

I imagine once Stan is shown the door we'll have managers ruling themselves in and out, and things will become clearer. I'd predict O'Leary though, not amazing, he does have a good deal of Premiership and Champions League experience though.

reder · 23/10/2007, 2:51 PM

Souness has ruled himself out of the Bolton job. Odds are fairly short on him for irish job. Could very well be the man. O' Leary is very quiet. Would have expected him to be on every radio station and tv broadcast if he was interested.

**gspain** · 23/10/2007, 2:51 PM

Jol would certainly be a good option if he gets the sack. Paul Jewell is another. I'd prefer somebody with International experience but it is not a prerequisite.

Realistically we're not going to get a guy in a job that we'd want.

I'd iike to get somebody out of work with a point to prove. Also somebody who has been successful in the past and maybe stayed too long at a club. And no that does not include David P'Leary.

Yes it would be awful to have a really good manager walk out midway through a campaign aka Lawrie Sanchez or Walter Smith. However it's a damn sight better than having a rubbish manager hang around for his payoff and make us a laughing stock.

I do have concerns over the selection process. We probably got Jack Charlton because someone who looked like Paddy Mulligan but probably wasn't threw a bun at an FAI official.

**ruben_sosa** · 23/10/2007, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

I'd love to see Alex Ferguson manage Ireland some day.

why do i keep visiting this forum when people post things like this?

reder · 23/10/2007, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by endabob1

I would prefer us to get someone like a Dalglish.

My dream scenario but its not going to happen. I cant see King Kenny ever touching us with a barge pole again after what happened when we were looking for a manager after Mc Carthy was stabbed in the back.

**gspain** · 23/10/2007, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by reder

My dream scenario but its not going to happen. I cant see King Kenny ever touching us with a barge pole again after what happened when we were looking for a manager after Mc Carthy was stabbed in the back.

Great player, decent manager but I think he spends too much time on the golf course in Marbella now to do the job justice.

**gustavo** · 23/10/2007, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by ruben_sosa

why do i keep visiting this forum when people post things like this?

Whats the problem with that post ?
He''s only saying he'd like to see it , Doesn't say he thinks it would actually happen.

reder · 23/10/2007, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

Great player, decent manager but I think he spends too much time on the golf course in Marbella now to do the job justice.

True, he is also very heavily involved with his wifes charity.

**co. down green** · 23/10/2007, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by endabob1

The big debatable point is whether it is Jol who has sent the money or not, the Director of Football Damien Comolli is allegedly the man spending the cash. Jol took a seriously undersacheiving side to 5th in successive seasons, he has his faults without doubt but he is a fine coach and a good man, he would be a major improvement.

Personally I don't think he would be the right man, I think he would always have one eye on going back to club management.

What if we gave him a four year contract

**galwayhoop** · 23/10/2007, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

What about Chris Hughton? He's been an assistant coach at Spurs for a long time and also worked with Kerr.

there is a massive difference between a coach and a manager.

look, for example, at those who have been coaches at old trafford:
brian kidd, steve mclaren and carlos queiroz. all apparently very good coaches but none have really cut it as managers.

a manager organises the whole thing, their coaches get down to the nitty gritty with the players - usually following the managers instructions. sure the coach can suggest things to the manager but the manager is the one making the final decisions.

if a manager does absolutely no hands on coaching with the players but motivates them and has them working as a cohesive unit then they can still be successiful.

therefore i believe that whoever is our next manager has to have been the top man in some capacity and not the understudy or a coach within a management team.

**IsMiseSean** · 23/10/2007, 3:17 PM

I hope to God, O'Leary isn't given the job. I really think he would be awful. I think the FAI will see him as a good choice and will probably give him the job. I'd like to see Steve Coppell approached with Reading struggling be just might be interested

**luka** · 23/10/2007, 3:21 PM

Bring back Charlton, even if it's only for the World Cup. I'd be might interested to see what he could do with the current bunch of players available.

**joeSoap** · 23/10/2007, 3:22 PM

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

there is a massive difference between a coach and a manager.

look, for example, at those who have been coaches at old trafford:
brian kidd, steve mclaren and carlos queiroz. all apparently very good coaches but none have really cut it as managers.

a manager organises the whole thing, their coaches get down to the nitty gritty with the players - usually following the managers instructions. sure the coach can suggest things to the manager but the manager is the one making the final decisions.

if a manager does absolutely no hands on coaching with the players but motivates them and has them working as a cohesive unit then they can still be successiful.

therefore i believe that whoever is our next manager has to have been the top man in some capacity and not the understudy or a coach within a management team.

100% agreed. And in my opinion he will also have to have Premiership managerial experience, and knowledge of the lower divisions in England, as lets face it, thats where the nucleus of our side comes from. I would like George Graham personally. He would command the respect of the players, has a great managerial record and seems to have come away relatively unscathed from all that bung stuff a few years ago.

Houllier would be another one, but for me he is mentally weak as a man, and I'm not sure we need someone like that.

O'Leary might be interesting. He had Leeds and Villa playing good football while he was at those clubs and you can't knock his pedigree as a player. Plus, he won't have a transfer budget to play with to put his employers out of business. But can I handle the smarm??........No!

**galwayhoop** · 23/10/2007, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

George Graham ..... seems to have come away relatively unscathed from all that bung stuff a few years ago.

surely that could only endear him to us!!!!

**Drumcondra 69er** · 23/10/2007, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by endabob1

My problem with a stepping stone manager is that they do a Sanchez and bugger off mid way through a potentially successful campaign.
I don't think Dalglish would be a retirement job, he hardly needs the cash but I do understand your doubts to a certain degree, the thing is he has a fair amount of managerial experience and despite his relative failures with Celtic & Newcastle he was a dof in those roles and when he was actually managing at Liverpool he was very succesfull

And therein lies the problem. He was sucessful at Liverpool 20 years ago practically and Blackburn 12 years ago. The game has moved on since and he's been left behind. I can't for the life of me understand some of the names suggested on various threads, Big Ron, George Graham, Terry Venables, Charlton (??!!) and Dalglish are all lame ducks at this stage, they're the last people I'd want. What's next, Brian Clough???

**geysir** · 23/10/2007, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

I would like George Graham personally. He would command the respect of the players, has a great managerial record and seems to have come away relatively unscathed from all that bung stuff a few years ago.

He is a mature intelligent choice. But he must be mid 60's by now as well as chronically suffering from arthritis.