New Irish manager

**citizenerased** · 18/10/2007, 12:50 PM

he kept wigan up on the last day of the season..no way...we need a coach with pedigree...

**onephillyhughes** · 18/10/2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by carloz

Why in Gods name does Troussiers name appear everytime we talk about getting a new manager. The man to get is Jewel. Done miracles with two very poor teams, Bradford and Wigan. Kept them up despite very poor squad and has consistenly punched above his weight. He is tactially sound and is a very motivated man. Plus i would think he would be interested. Id still be wary of going down the European manager route, i have visions of Bertie Vogts with Scotland

Bankrolled by Dave Whelan at Wigan. Despite keeping them up last season, they were absolutely awful for most of the season. Failed to motivate and deal with bigger names when at Sheffield Wednesday.

**carloz** · 18/10/2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

There's no getting away from it - we need to cough up the dough this time.

Maybe Paddy the Plasterer could give us a dig out?

Thats the thing, the FAI did cough up the dough. Stan is in the top ten well paid managers in the world.....yes the World. What he did before the Irish job to justify 400,000 euro a year ill never know but he got it. Just look at Sweden, as far as I know their manager is getting 120,000 euro a year yet they constantly qualify for tournaments. Then John Delaney gets the idea that the guy who puts out the training cones for Walsall reserves deserves the Irish job on a salary of 400,000 a year. Really puzzling

**Piltownpossy** · 18/10/2007, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

This is the same Terry Venables that failed to qualify Australia and managed to ruin Portstmouth, Palace and Leeds since Euro 96? Where by the way England had 1 decent performance, they were blessed to get a draw off the Swiss, had a missed penalty to thanks against the scots and 2 perfectly legit goals for Spain wrongly chalked off in the quarters to thanks for getting through to teh semis on home soil which they lost. Venables is a spoofer of the worst kind and only has a reputation due to his pals in the media and the spin they put on his record.

As for Souness, are you for real????

Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....

yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....

**geysir** · 18/10/2007, 1:01 PM

That top ten salary in the world claim is a falsehood.
Even T&T paid more for Beenhakker, financed I suspect by the touting of their tickets at the WC.

**Wolfie** · 18/10/2007, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by carloz

Thats the thing, the FAI did cough up the dough. Stan is in the top ten well paid managers in the world.....yes the World. What he did before the Irish job to justify 400,000 euro a year ill never know but he got it. Just look at Sweden, as far as I know their manager is getting 120,000 euro a year yet they constantly qualify for tournaments. Then John Delaney gets the idea that the guy who puts out the training cones for Walsall reserves deserves the Irish job on a salary of 400,000 a year. Really puzzling

�400,000 certainly not a pittance but we'll have to compete with Premiership prices (astronomical as they are) if we want to secure a truly decent manager with a record of achievement at a decent level.

**John83** · 18/10/2007, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Piltownpossy

Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....

yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....

He hasn't been particularly good since he managed England. I watched his Leeds spell closely, and he was a disaster for them - a team Dave O'Leary was doing rather better with. I don't think it's unfair to question whether he's up to it any more, whether it's because of out of date tactics or just not caring any more.

**onephillyhughes** · 18/10/2007, 1:09 PM

He seemed to do a much better job in an advisory role, ie. at Middlesbrough with Bryan Robson.

**Dublin12** · 18/10/2007, 1:12 PM

Wouldn't mind seeing O'Leary and George Graham getting the job. Maybe Grahams ideas might be a bit dated but one thing we would have a very good defence at least and he's a bit of a ****** and wouldn't take any ****e from the players, exactly the sort of person this team needs and the first thing he would do would be to take the captains armband from Keane and give it to Dunne.

**Stuttgart88** · 18/10/2007, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Piltownpossy

yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....

His international record with England doesn't really stand up to the scrutiny above in my opinion. Yes, only a shoot out away from a final, but a good performance against the Dutch excepted there was not one single perfiormance of any merit. Anyone could manage England at home in a major finals. All his successes were years ago and the game and the interpretation of its laws have changed markedly.

**onephillyhughes** · 18/10/2007, 1:14 PM

Plus he didn't actually have to go through any qualifiers, any hostile away games etc.

**Dodge** · 18/10/2007, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by mackannovic

We tried the Eircom League route with Kerr and we all saw what happened there. If we stopped wasting money on rinky dink managers we'd have more funds available.

You just don't get it, do you?

**an_ceannaire** · 18/10/2007, 1:19 PM

what exactly are the "requirements" of a good international manager tho?

**Noelys Guitar** · 18/10/2007, 1:21 PM

Chris Coleman is another who should come into the reckoning. Did a good job with Fulham.

**onephillyhughes** · 18/10/2007, 1:21 PM

He's with Sociedad now.

**Noelys Guitar** · 18/10/2007, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by onephillyhughes

He's with Sociedad now.

A "rolling" contract. And I'm sure I've read recently that they want him out.

**onephillyhughes** · 18/10/2007, 1:24 PM

Didn't know that.

Its hard to know where to look. Some of the names being thrown into the ring are baffling to say the least.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 18/10/2007, 1:28 PM

Originally Posted by Piltownpossy

Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....

yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division - How many years ago was that?
Also took them down again. Ask any Palace fan what they tink of him now after his 2nd spell there.

Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82 - Again 25 years ago
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
Replaced Maradonna with Archibald. Turned down Hugo Sanchez. Won a poor Spanish league and got teh teh European Cup final the year after the country that was the dominant force in Europe had had its teams banned. And still lost.

FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Failed in general with the best Spurs squad since 61 and spent a fortune.

Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Absolute tripe for the reasons outlined in my original post, 1 good performance and that was it.

Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....
Have you any idea who Australia had to beat to get to that play off in the Oceania group?? I could have got them that far.

Venables is a busted flush and way over the hill, he's another John Toshack, yesterday's men, the game has moved on and they haven't.

**NeilMcD** · 18/10/2007, 1:42 PM

I think we need an expert at European Qualifying so I would go for Roy Hodgson (spelling) or Leo Beenhakker. Both these guys have been around years and both speak English. They both know the international scene very well and have dealt with top players and average players. They are both used to dealing with average international squads and making them perform.

I think club managment is totally different to international managment and the skill of getting yout point across over a few days is not something I think Paul Jewell or Harry Redknapp or someone like that could do. I really hope we go down the route I recommend above as I feel we have a good crop of players coming through and it will be a waste if Staunton is in charge of them.

**Sligo Hornet** · 18/10/2007, 1:48 PM

Let us not forget, it's not just a question of picking the right candidate for us......who ever is first choice may NOT want the job! Let's face it, it isn't the most attractive of positions at present and certainly will NOT command the highest salary ( bearing in mind who has a strong grip on the purse string! )