New Irish manager

**Stuttgart88** · 17/12/2007, 9:09 AM

Much ado about nothing. Job vacancy exists. Out of work managers apply. So what?

**Stuttgart88** · 17/12/2007, 9:14 AM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Sweden looks to the British game as much as we do. I can ensure you that the Premiership is just as popular in Sweden and Scandinavia as anywhere in Ireland. The only difference between their international side and our international side is cultural. Their international side just reflects Swedish society - it's bureaucratic, organised, disciplined, the bus always goes on time, and everybody knows his/her role. Our international side reflects Irish society - it's disorganised, everything is up in the air, the bus never goes on time, if it happens it happens, brown envelopes are the order of the day, and the main thing is to have a good laugh.

The problem is, as I see it, we know that we need to be organised and prepared if we want to win matches. But can we in our disorganisation attract a manager that can get us organised and will our players be acceptant of the culture shock.

Very good post.

One one hand I've always held Sweden and Denmark up as examples of what can be achieved by smaller countries - regular qualification and good at winning away from home. On the other hand I'm disappointed we didn't get Scandi teams in our group as I think we're better against northern European teams than eastern European. It's more our style of football.

**Noelys Guitar** · 17/12/2007, 9:18 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Much ado about nothing. Job vacancy exists. Out of work managers apply. So what?

I bet you won't be saying that if one of these guys is appointed! The FAi should disband the 3-man committee now and start again from scratch. Head hunt the best managers available.

**NeilMcD** · 17/12/2007, 9:37 AM

Why should they disband it because some out of work over the hilll managers apply for the job. Surely if they believe in the process they should stick with it. Just becuse Wilkinson and Taylor and Venables and a few others that we dont want have applied for the job does not mean the process is flawed.

I do not have a problem with the process as at least footballing people are making the decision. I would rather footballing people make it rather than Delaney and Blood etc. As with most things though the FAI will be judged on the end result and people will soon forget about the process if Roy Hodgson is appointed.

**Noelys Guitar** · 17/12/2007, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Why should they disband it because some out of work over the hilll managers apply for the job. Surely if they believe in the process they should stick with it. Just becuse Wilkinson and Taylor and Venables and a few others that we dont want have applied for the job does not mean the process is flawed.

I do not have a problem with the process as at least footballing people are making the decision. I would rather footballing people make it rather than Delaney and Blood etc. As with most things though the FAI will be judged on the end result and people will soon forget about the process if Roy Hodgson is appointed.

So if Venables is appointed by football people then it wil be OK.

**eekers** · 17/12/2007, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

So if Venables is appointed by football people then it wil be OK.

what's your alternative to the current process?

**blobbyblob** · 17/12/2007, 11:51 AM

I know whats going on here.

JD has a bet with Bonner that this is going to be the longest thread ever on foot.ie. only 90 posts to go and a new manager will be appointed

**NeilMcD** · 17/12/2007, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

So if Venables is appointed by football people then it wil be OK.

Read my post, I said as with most things they will be judged on the end result which in this case is which manager they get. I dont want Venables to get the job but I would not blame the process for it.

**Noelys Guitar** · 17/12/2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by eekers

what's your alternative to the current process?

Have one person appoint the manager. Somebody who has never met any of the candidates. What we have now is as follows

1. 3 man selection committee consisting of Houghton, Howe and Givens
2. Houghton works with Brady a leading candidate for the job.
3. Houghton works with Giles who allegedly has an advisory role in choosing the new manager.
5. Howe worked with Venables a leading candidate for the job.
6. Howe advised England to appoint Venables as assistant to Capello.
7. Givens is the current Ireland under 21's manager and his future is directly linked to the appontment of a new manager.
8. Givens played alongside Venables and Brady both leading candidates for the job.

No conflict of interest there.

**NeilMcD** · 17/12/2007, 1:24 PM

You forgot that Givens worked with Hodgson in Switzerland.

**Stuttgart88** · 17/12/2007, 1:27 PM

I don't think they did. eekers was mistaken on that one.

**NeilMcD** · 17/12/2007, 1:31 PM

ok sorry about that but I am sure he knows about him.

**tetsujin1979** · 17/12/2007, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

You forgot that Givens worked with Hodgson in Switzerland.

I don't think he did. According to this - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/3180626.stm - Givens coached there until 1989

Givens played for the final eight years of his career at Neuchatel Xamax, and when he retired in 1987 he went on to coach the club for two years.

According to Hodgson's wikipedia profile - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hodgson - he didn't take over there until 1990, quite possibly replacing Givens

**hogey** · 17/12/2007, 6:50 PM

Javier Clemente or Co Adriaanse would be the best bets along with maybe Roy Hodgson

**OwlsFan** · 18/12/2007, 9:09 AM

I was amused to hear Lawrenson call Martin O'Neill "half English" on the Last Word when he was commentating on the candidates for the English job.

As for the Irish job, I am not sure the Panel of 3 would continue with the interviewing process if they believed that Vegetables was already chosen. As ever with the FAI, there are lots of "leaks" and no one really has a clue what's going on.

**soccerc** · 18/12/2007, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

As for the Irish job, I am not sure the Panel of 3 would continue with the interviewing process if they believed that Vegetables was already chosen. As ever with the FAI, there are lots of "leaks" and no one really has a clue what's going on.

Owlsfan stuns soccerc as we agree on something!

**Stuttgart88** · 18/12/2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

if they believed that Vegetables was already chosen. As ever with the FAI, there are lots of "leaks"

Did you mean "leeks"?

**Noelys Guitar** · 18/12/2007, 12:22 PM

Can anyone on here confirm that Brady is applying for the job with Giles as his assistant/consulant/co-manager? I have heard this today from a few people.

**Stuttgart88** · 20/12/2007, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

I am loathe to comment until I see who we end up with but frankly I'd love to stop the process and just take the runner up for the Scotland job. He is likely to be streets ahead of whoever we pick.

I've quoted gspain from another thread ("are FAI that bad?") but I just read that John Collins has quit his job at Hibs, fuelling speculation he may be next Scotland manager. The runner up in the Scotland job may be a better candidate than we expected.

They have an extraordinary number of home-grown credible managers:

Smith
McLeish (though I'm not convinced by him)
Moyes
Strachan
Davies
Sir Alex
Dalglish
Souness
Davies
Burley
Graham

and quite a few more

**osarusan** · 20/12/2007, 1:15 PM

I know that this has already been mentioned but Philippe Troussier has just joined FC Ryukyu.

For those who don't know, and I'm guessing that's everybody, FC Ryukyu play in the Japan Football League (JFL), which is the third tier of Japanese football, below J1 and J2.

To compare standards, 2 seasons ago I was a regular at the home games of Matsumoto Yamaga, who were promoted to the JFL at the end of the season (from a regional league). They went on to a respectable finish the next season in the JFL, so I'm estimating that they and FC Ryukyu would be of similar standards. And I can confidently say that the standard was much, much worse than anything I ever saw in LOI football.

Lucky we passed on him.