Jansen hasn't managed in the eircom League or Carnegie thoughOriginally Posted by Dr. Ogba
(aka cut the crap about a certain foreign team from the country known as Scotland being somehow a bastion of the Free State. Ask yourself this question - "Where in Ireland is Glasgow?")
Kom Igen, FCK...
hook, line and sinker......Jansen hasn't managed in the eircom League or Carnegie though
(aka cut the crap about a certain foreign team from the country known as Scotland being somehow a bastion of the Free State. Ask yourself this question - "Where in Ireland is Glasgow?")
(Apologies, just having a bit of fun to see who'd bite....)
"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
Coppell would be great if we could get him.
My God, if Dunphy says it, it must be trueBy my reckoning at €70 a ticket x 70k, that makes about 5 million. Add on revenue from advertising and tv rights, a few million more. Then SUBTRACT the GAA's cut, staff, security, players' wages, accommodation etc etc etc and you won't get a figure anywhere near 10 million but let's not question Dunphy because he is the purveyor of the truth.
As for those who suggest David O'Leary, I got this e-mail from a friend:
The worrying thing is that O'Leary's name is surfacing. Please God, no!
Dave is such a hot piece of property that he's been unemployed for over a year, made a hash of Villa, bankrupted Leeds and can't even get any pundit gigs cos he's got nothing interesting to say. Insights from Cas and others about his personality said it all.
We can rule anyone out who has a job at the moment for a top club because we can't afford the 2 million plus a year they'd be looking for.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Irish Times
Emmet Malone Soccer Correspondent
Euro 2008 Qualifiers News: The Football Association of Ireland stand to take in around €12 million - with estimated profits approaching €10 million - from Saturday evening's European Championship qualifier against Germany at Croke Park, comfortably the largest amount ever cleared by the association on a home game.
To be fair to him , O'Leary hardly bankrupted Leeds , as far as I know managers are employed to manage the team and over see the purchasing of players given the budget at their disposal , not oversee the financial ins and outs of the club , if he spent X million its only because he was given X million to spend , not many managers would say "no thanks you can keep your money ill deal with the players we already have"
I agree about O'Leary by the way. I was so exasperated after Bratislava that I put forward O'Leary's name (mainly because I'm not sure who else is feasible) but he's a drab, self-serving creep.
Has Emmet Malone seen the books? Journalists bandy about figures but they don't stand up to scrutiny. Undoubtedly the biggest gate ever for an Irish soccer game but there are large chunks going elsewhere, not least to the proprietors of the venue. And then there are the plaques for Mick Leech and Johnny FulhamStrange they chose two players from the same Rovers' team as legends but that's another story.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
I think if we got stutts as number 1 and tets as number 2 we would be fine. The tactial nous that they would provide would "bamboozle" any defence. Motivation is the only thing I would worry about, but they could put up a picture of Jack meeting the pope as inspiration and hang it in the dressing room before very game.
THen have EB in there for the mathematical scenarios and spin, that if we lost 3 it doesn't matter cos we can beat the teams at home which is easier than beating cyprus away or something like that.....
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How about a part-time manager, somebody already working in the Premier League or further afield?
Steve Coppell or Martin O'Neill as part-time managers maybe?
Just a suggestion.
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That's the first mention of Dowie in this thread. I like him. You can tell he's tactically very sure listening to him on the likes of Match of the Day. I think he's the type of manager we need and would definitely be in favour of him.
No probs Dochook, line and sinker......
(Apologies, just having a bit of fun to see who'd bite....- thought I'd get in there first and snuff anything out from the more "excitable" members
I rest my case - thanks for posting that Stuttgart.
Let us consider the views - someone with 23 caps for his nation, and a fairly successful 15 year career in the game, coupled with high profile media work, allied with a journalist who has access to the actual figures and the main players within the Association.
Or some apologist on an interweb forum going under a pseudonym that's more Sheffield than Sligo.
I know whose views I'd take as more relevant - the so called "purveyor of truth" seems to speak a lot more sense and looks like he knows what exactly is transpiring in this situation ...
Kom Igen, FCK...
Even if it was only EUR 5 million, that's a lot of money from one game.
Dunphy's spinning figures here though, yes the FAI made around €10m from the Germany game but nearly half of that came from selling TV rights, saying they make €10m a game is nonsense, they'd be lucky to pull that once a campaign and half that on average. That's still more then enough to pay top whack for a manager though if they were prepared to do it.No probs Doc
I rest my case - thanks for posting that Stuttgart.
Let us consider the views - someone with 23 caps for his nation, and a fairly successful 15 year career in the game, coupled with high profile media work, allied with a journalist who has access to the actual figures and the main players within the Association.
Or some apologist on an interweb forum going under a pseudonym that's more Sheffield than Sligo.
I know whose views I'd take as more relevant - the so called "purveyor of truth" seems to speak a lot more sense and looks like he knows what exactly is transpiring in this situation ...
what about peter reid?
has a nice irish name and im sure he would only be too delighted to manage Ireland.
then of course there is Joe kinnear,
S.R.F.C. Sligo Rovers
that is true they sold the tv right to the germans for 5m, but they only sold the tv rights to the cypriots for 50,000,
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Houllier lads...we want houllier, a very realistic target in my view...forget tgetting an irish manager, i couldnt stomach o'learys excuses
'How can I hate women, my Mums one!!!' Chris Finch
Interesting piece in Boys in Green site:
O’Leary warm favourite for Irish role
October 19, 2007
David O’Leary has emerged as the warm favourite to take over from Steve Staunton as Republic of Ireland manager.
Staunton’s future is expected to be resolved by an FAI Board of Management meeting in the coming days as the fall-out continues from Wednesday’s 1-1 draw at home to Cyprus – the latest in a string of dismal performances under Stan’s reign.
And O’Leary, who won 68 senior caps in a 17-year international career between 1976 and 1993, is the bookmakers’ favourite to land the top job.
The 49-year-old Dubliner has plenty of top flight experience from his time in charge of Leeds United and Aston Villa, leading the Elland Road side to the semi-finals of the Uefa Champions League in 2001 before helping Villa to sixth place in the Premiership in his first season in charge in 2004.
O’Leary, who has been out of football since being ousted from the Villa hotseat in the summer of 2006, is listed as 3 to 1 favourite to be the next permanent Irish manager in some bookies’ lists.
Also figuring prominently in the betting is O’Leary’s former Irish teammate John Aldridge, ex-Wigan manager Paul Jewell and Graeme Souness, who has managed Rangers, Liverpool, Blackburn and Newcastle and boasts a high profile in Ireland from his work as an RTE analyst over the past 18 months.
Outsiders of note include another ex-Liverpool boss, Gerard Houllier, who is available for work having parted company with Lyon in the summer, and Dutch trio Louis van Gaal, Ruud Gullit and Ronald Koeman.
Next permanent Ireland manager:
David O’Leary 3-1
John Aldridge 7-1
Paul Jewell 7-1
Graeme Souness 7-1
Steve Coppell 16-1
George Graham 16-1
Roy Keane 18-1
Ray Houghton 18-1
Chris Hughton 20-1
Martin O’Neill 20-1
Louis van Gaal 20-1
Liam Brady 20-1
Martin Allen 22-1
Peter Reid 25-1
Ron Atkinson 25-1
Glenn Hoddle 25-1
Kevin Moran 33-1
Mick McCarthy 33-1
Kevin Keegan 33-1
Don Givens 33-1
Glenn Roeder 33-1
Stephen Kenny 33-1
John Sheridan 33-1
Johnny Giles 33-1
Gerard Houllier 40-1
Ronald Koeman 50-1
Didier Deschamps 50-1
Ruud Gullit 50-1
John Toshack 50-1
Steve McClaren 66-1
Brian Kerr 80-1
Eamon Dunphy 200-1
Jack Charlton 500-1
Desperately seeking international manager: Applications from candidates with a proven track record only please
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By Liam Kelly
Friday October 19 2007
WANTED: New Soccer manager for the Republic of Ireland team.
Successful Applicant requirements:
(A) As a minimum, he must have a proven track record of managerial experience of top club level in England/Europe.
(B) Preferably have been an international team manager.
(C) Have a few medals and achievements on his CV as a player and/or manager.
(D) Be clear in his own mind how he wants to structure his team.
(E) Show consistency in approach to selecting players for squads and teams.
(F) Have a record of motivating average to good players so they knit together into a unit that can perform consistently to a level greater than the sum of its individual parts.
(G) Be prepared to organise the players into the type of spirit that is more accustomed to a club side and bring any big time Charlies to the realisation that they must earn their place in the team and not be in on reputation or past glories.
(H) Accept a two year contract that will not be discussed until after the culmination of the campaign for qualification for South Africa.
(I) Be able to do the job himself, and not rely on a "mentor" to justify his appointment.
(J) Bring a credible backroom team to the job.
Ironically, setting out the criteria for a replacement for Steve Staunton is the easy part.
It's far more difficult to see how the FAI can be trusted to deliver a manager that has credibility with the players and the public, given their performance over Staunton's appointment.
The flaws were inherent once John Delaney came to power and signalled the end of Brian Kerr's reign.
The word from the FAI was we needed the "passion" put back into the team, and ultimately it was heart and emotion rather than clear-sighted logic that ended with an untried manager at any level getting the pivotal role in Irish football.
It has cost the Association and fans dearly, and they are better off cutting their losses now before the situation worsens.
Money is central to everything the FAI achieves as custodians of Irish Soccer.
They derive their income from the fans who not only pay for tickets but indirectly contribute by buying expensive branded jerseys.
TV money also depends on the team having a market value with viewers.
Sponsors only want to associate with successful brands that have a positive relationship with the public.
The problem now is that public confidence has been eroded by the clumsy learning curve on which Staunton has embarked, courtesy of naive FAI leadership.
To an extent, it's the FAI choice that is more to blame than the former international stalwart whose ambitions overrode his abilities to manage.
Staunton might be a brilliant manager in 10 years time if somebody entrusts him with a club job, but he has shot his bolt with this one.
Sacking him would be expensive, but the cost to the FAI if they refuse to remove Staunton will be greater in the long run than if they agree a compensation deal now.
And then they must be prepared to pay a realistic wage to attract a manager of the highest calibre.
I would feel though, that first they need to organise a group of professional advisors to assess potential candidates.
The likes of John Giles and Liam Brady could be invited to have an input as part of a head-hunting panel, and possibly Alex Ferguson should be approached for his advice.
As for potential candidates, we know it's not an easy task, but it's certainly not impossible.
Martin O'Neill turned it down two years ago; David O'Leary also opted out and of course Alex Ferguson decided to stay on with Man United.
Frenchman Philippe Troussier, former manager of Japan, South Africa and Nigeria at the time was keen but didn't find favour.
Any job selection is a potential minefield, and you need a touch of luck, such as the weird FAI voting which resulted in Jack Charlton getting the Irish job in 1986.
Northern Ireland also got lucky with Lawrie Sanchez who raised the profile of a squad of no hopers before he took over Fulham, and Alex McLeish has maintained the impetus for Scotland that began under Walter Smith.
No doubt Dave O'Leary, John Aldridge, Frank Stapleton and Ronnie Whelan will figure in the speculation when the FAI and/or Staunton bite the bullet.
Each of these former Irish stars has managed, but O'Leary didn't get any of the jobs that were going once he became available from Aston Villa and Aldridge, Stapleton and Whelan have been out of management for some time.
Paul Jewell looks like he's set for Bolton but he could be an outside candidate, although the preference should be for a man who has done it at international level.
- Liam Kelly
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Anyone of those 3 before oleary please. Id actually be very happy with koeman. He strikes me as someone who would take no sh1te from anyone and could really bring on stephen reid too.Louis van Gaal, Ruud Gullit and Ronald Koeman
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