QuoteHey lads, that a cracker with the muppets picture. But at least the muppets had a bit of effort and had a good underage structure in Fragile Rock
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Hey lads, that a cracker with the muppets picture. But at least the muppets had a bit of effort and had a good underage structure in Fragile Rock
Originally Posted by mistergreen
Thats the problem, the ole ole English premeirship supporting brigade thought we should be Brazil. Too much hope and expectation. OIreland played as a defensive unit in Germany, without creating a chance. We tried to play attacking footie against Cyprus but lost all shape completely. There was no play as a unit, and the transformation from defending in Germany to reckless attacking in Cyprus showed the ineptitude of our manager as their was a complete lack of balance in tactics.
I'm truly gutted. It is only starting to sink in now. I was listening to Andy Townsend on Talksport earlier, he had Aldo on the line, he sounded real upset.
Still in shock.....
It's going to be so hard to qualify for any tournament now, things are just getting worse.
Last edited by Green Tribe; 08/10/2006 at 2:38 PM.
When exactly was that?And to think Germany put 13 past the Cypriots!!
Have Boot Disk, will travel
in shock! i shall edit
i dont agree with billy lord's posts. everyone is slamming irish fans with the 'im ireland's number one supporter" and the rest are all 'the ole"brigade. people are entitled to support who they want, and if they want to wear a wig, a furry hat, or a greem banana around their neck - that is their choice. The bottom line IS that real supporters stick with their team through good times and bad. That does not mean that they do not have the right to protest or vent in whatever manner they choose (shows a care level if you ask me). blame on the players and the managers for last night is fair - it was a disgrace. but quit with the 'i told all you fair weather fans, ole brigade that it was coming" shiite - its petty when the rabble start turning on each other.
Agree with what Owls Fan says above. I'll be there on Weds night & won't be booing, though I'm disgusted by those in whom we invest our faith.
I feel sorry for O'Brien. This is the first time he's been exposed at this level in my opinion. I've no major problem with him. It's not his fault we've not got many better options but whatever about eL players being up for it, I bet you anything Graham Coughlan would have taken no sh1t last night.
O'Shea? This may be kicking a man when he's down but I heard he told friends (my mate's wife was in attendance) that playing for MUFC was far more important to him. It shows. And not just him too.
Scotland Team V France Ireland Team V Cyprus
1 Craig Gordon Paddy Kenny
2 Christian Dailly Steve Finnan
4 Steven Pressley John O'Shea
5 David Weir Andy O'Brien
3 Graham Alexander Richard Dunne
8 Gary Caldwell Kevin Kilbane
7 Darren Fletcher Aidan McGeady
6 Barry Ferguson Stephen Ireland
11 Lee McCulloch Damien Duff
10 Paul Hartley Clinton Morrison
9 James McFadden Robbie Keane
Looking at both those teams, on paper Ireland look to have the better team so the whole argument of not having any players to pick hardly stands up.
Look at the team that NI beat Spain with.
Have Boot Disk, will travel
The Scottish players had something over the Irish players....
National Pride!!
Physical stature
Leaders / strong characters
Balance
A combative midfielder used to playing in midfied
Seriously, these are very significant factors. We're a team of short-arsed fancy dans with no aggression or proper leadership. We lose balance by playing square pegs in round holes. We can't compete in central midfield because we don't pick central midfielders to play there.
Picking Kilbane with Ireland betrays a total & utter lack of knowledge of the essence of a functional team.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 08/10/2006 at 4:32 PM.
Here's what Duff had to say:
'When you come to places like Cyprus you have to pick up points.
'It's not acceptable dropping points here, even if we had drawn, that would still not have been acceptable.
'It's also not acceptable for the fans to see us played off the park by a team ranked 60 places below us, but it shows where we are.
Considering Stan's comments on drawing with Cyprus being acceptable, Duff saying it would not be, and Duff's mention of "where we are", I would assume then that the players are unhappy with Staunton as manager. We have a situation now where after two competitive matches there is virtually no-one with confidence in Steve Stauntons ability to manage our international team.
As one poster previously pointed out, this is his dream job. However, the FAI in hiring him have completely ruined his chances of ever landing another managerial post again. Had he actually begun a career in management and advanced through experience and had proven his ability, we may well have seen Staunton become a decent manager, who knows. At present what is happening for all involved is disgusting. And it all lies with the FAI.
The FAI has only ever been consistent in its failures. Irish football clubs are folding under the pressures of existing within the framework of a mis-managed national league. A national coach hired without any previous experience of managing a club merely scratches the surface on the gross incompetence of our national footballing body. The entire structure is rotten and most be completely demolished. Adjustments and tweaking are not enough here. For Irish football to have any future both at national and international level, massive change needs to take place.
We have tolerated this farce of an organisation for too long now. Saipan should have changed all that and it didn't. Irish fans now need to ask themselves what THEY can do to ensure that Ireland manages to produce talented footballers within Ireland and advance within a strong National League, its acadamies and local structures. Our footballing body is a failure. Its time to bring it down.
Limerick 3:7
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again"
Do we not have any men over 6ft who can actually play football? Do the big strong lads opt for GAA whilst the little midgets play football? You know it's bad when you rely on Kilbane to win the odd header now and again because he's 5 8" or whatever height he is.
The stupid idiot won't even call up a ball winner like Carsley after watching his team get torn apart in MF by Cyprus. Kilbane and Ireland have the presence of a couple of toddlers. We lose Dunne so instead of calling up McCarthy he brings in a right back who froze the last time he played for us.
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
No-one has confidence in him, bar John Delaney.
Because of that lads, we have to put up with sht like what we saw in Cyprus, for another 3 years. About as enticing as a trip to the dentist.
i agree i dont understand the booing ritual either go and support youre team on wedensday i think in the bad times the true supporter shows themselves.
except for the green jerseys on our tv screen last night you would never of guested there was an irish fan in cyprus
Is the end nigh...
After the events on Saturday...
Getting rid of McCarthy in hindsight was an error (I was a McCarthy fan) everyone including McCarthy took the easy option and he departed.
Getting rid of Kerr in hindsight was an error, I was a Kerr fan initially, he is an excellent coach ( maybe not manager) he went in to possibly too much detail. As you may have grasped from his commentary, he knew a lot about the opposition, which is a help. This is one of the major elements that Stan does not have. Kerr was more a political animal, ie: keep those in the FAI happy by not losing..This 'never lose' (at the cost of possibly winning) attitude was his biggest error, instead of going for the jugular, he slammed on the brakes & went into reverse with a rearguard action. He had loads of chances, against the Swiss he had two do-or-die games were must win matches yet he did not throw the kitchen sink at them.
After the Isreal games. Some player lost faith in him & the team, most notably Duff. After the final Swiss game.Many lost faith with him & he was shown the door probably deserved to be.
Then the muppets at the FAI give us 'The Gaffer'.At first the players had a drive and determination & everybody was willing to give him a chance(Sweden game..but then they reverted to type..Chile, Holland..Germany was credible performance where at least they tried..but Cyprus has knocked the stuffing out of the Players, the coaching staff & finally the fans. The players just seem to be more concerned about their premiership careers than playing for their country.IMHO the FAI need to realise thinternational football is about keeping the fans happy, not keeping the FAI people in cushy jobs & keeping the premiership players mollycoddled.Even Kerr realised that not losing, no matter how dire you played was more important than losing, especially against a team ranked 60 places below us.Stan IMHO made one other mistake which has affected the fan homebase, this is to drag us back to the day of the granny passport rule players, its true that they have served us well in the past, but surely we must progress away from that with a plan.It just demoralises all EL players hearing this know that they are well down the pecking order.Keven Doyle was playing EL 2 seasons ago.
Even I knew that the 2 up front & the captain were the only decent players in the cypriot team yet nobody wearing a green jersey seemed to have any idea.There was no plan, the defence did not seem to trust the goalkeeper & vice versa.Any early indication of this may have been when Alan Kelly described Paddy Kenny's goalkeeping style as 'unauthodox',nobody was dedicated to holding midfield, no direction to feed Duff & McGeady as quickly as possible, it was an utter shambles.Though I have defended O'Shea & Kilbane in the past, there were not fit to wear the jersey last night. When they got back to the dressing room Stan should have told them to rip the badge of their Jersey and keep it as a reminder never to play like that ever again as the fans deserve more a lot more....As Thunderblaster & Stutgart88 said Brady needs to be brought in & develop our youth policy & especially in Ireland (EL) PS - IMHO Givens is worse than Stan... and yes the Curse of TV3 that haunted us during the Euro 2000 qualifying campaign has come back to haunt us!! Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors
Well, what are we supposed to do cheer the fcukers?For what exactly? The Irish football team is an utter discrace, they have no respect for the shirt on their backs let alone the supporters who pay out hard earned money to follow them all over the world.I was due to go over for this game but i am not going to fork out any more cash in order to watch donkeys like O Brien, O’Shea Kilbane etc etc make fools of themselves and us again.I hope they get booed.What other way are we supposed to let them know our how dissatisfied we are with them?
It wasn't tried - it was a mess up with dates by the FAI (go figure!) which meant only LOI players were available for that game. I also think you'll find League of Ireland players being mostly responsible for our results during the first approx. first 40 years we played international football.
Have you forgotten the fact the majority of Irish are bandwagon jumpers?
Care to post up how much they spent on blazers one year?
agreed!
Work's Bogey
we might not agree but if staunton and co had your passion we might get places! well im off to the airport to pick up those who did spend hard cash to travel to cyprus!
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