Highs and Lows last night

**patsh** · 19/09/2002, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Johnny
I wonder how people like you would react if you followed Limerick. They are at the bottom of the first, playing in a decrepit ground in front of a 100 people every week.

It's interesting to bring up Limerick.
I, and a few hundred other pathetic souls, stood and watched City play the league cup match against Limerick out the cross a few short months ago, 10 of Feburary I think. It was, imo, the most abject, spineless, diabolical performance ever by any City side. During the game, I watched Gunther a lot, to see what he was doing, how he was reacting to the events on the field. His reaction was ...... ZERO. NOTHING. NOT A WORD.
He stood looking at the game without speaking, encouraging, shouting instructions. He stood there as if he was a spectator, with nothing to contribute.
Afterwards, he blamed the FANS for the defeat.
I think Murphy has done some good things for the club, made some good signings and I actually think he is a decent man who really tries hard. I am delighted with the clubs position at the moment, and would have been delighted to take this at the start of the season. In an off season thread about the future, I even predicted top 3 in the league and cup semis at least.
However, the Liam Murphy who stood on the line at that Limerick game is the same Liam Murphy standing on the line at the games now.
Face up to it, City are doing well in spite of Murphy, not because of him.

**�anna** · 19/09/2002, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by dalo
at this stage eanna's dislike of gunther is not to be taken totally seriously, it's almost a parody at this stage like gunther is not so much a real person as so much as some sort of cartoon figure or ironic catch cry -GUNTHER OUT!!!!, GEORGE OUT!!!! , DALO OUT !!! etc etc. i don't even think eanna can be taken too seriously when he goes on like this

ooh get you

OK, I accept, I went a bit over he op and personal re gunther before, but I've set out a list of reasons why I believe Murphy should not be city manager, and hardly any of you have managed to come up with answers to them, with the exceptions of Hecko and SOC.

**dalo** · 19/09/2002, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by �anna

ooh get you OK, I accept, I went a bit over he op and personal re gunther before, but I've set out a list of reasons why I believe Murphy should not be city manager, and hardly any of you have managed to come up with answers to them, with the exceptions of Hecko and SOC.

i don't think gunther is the greatest thing since sliced bread (despite what what some people try to maintain). so far things have gone ok this season - no more no less. if we don't finish the season with a bit of acheivement then I think murphy should do the honourable thing and step down. to be honest he has in my view done ok enough, no more no less.

in first season with the club when dm got sacked he brought a lot of stablity to the club and a bit of pride back. last season things were pretty poor and i wonder how close was he to going were it not that lennox may needed some continuity.

i think liam's strengths are in man motivation and the training ground. he has done wonders with the youth setup but is obviously weak in the tactical area of things and does seem to have a tendacy to fall out with players. those that did get shunted out were in my view lightweights and were bringing the club no-where and are no great loss. however if say JOF was forced out then one would have to wonder what is going on

however I do reckon this will be his last season anyway and may call it a day next feb. he should certainly be kept on in the club in some meaningful capacity and i feel lennox may see it like thsi aswell.

until then i give 100% backing because the fact of the matter is there is no there is no alternative.

**patsh** · 19/09/2002, 1:24 PM

Originally posted by �anna
Nice to see that the Murphy in camp is still resorting the mature tactic of name-calling

That's quite funny really, Eanna.
Coming from a man who refers to an Irish player as a "knacker".

**dalo** · 19/09/2002, 2:06 PM

Originally posted by oddboy

That's quite funny really, Eanna.
Coming from a man who refers to an Irish player as a "knacker".

who would that be? Gary Breen

**Dricky** · 19/09/2002, 2:09 PM

Coming from a man who refers to an Irish player as a "knacker".

Well in fairness to Eanna a knacker is a trade and therefore a useful thing.

Gunther is not the manager, we need to bring the club through to being a full time outfit, he doesn't treat everyone the same, if he has a problem with a person/ team/ fans he should deal with it, we should be making money from the players he wants rid of. If he could act like a manager ALL the time and not be afraid to try things admit mistakes and learn from them he might have us on his side more.

What bugs me is the Murphy in people only pipe up when we lost.
I don't think we have been gifted with good managers, we had one chance with rico and granted he f*cked off but now is the time to move the club forward as a business, the saying should be reversed for CCFC
Employ monkeys and get peanuts

we want silverware instead thank you very much.

**�anna** · 19/09/2002, 3:25 PM

Originally posted by oddboy
That's quite funny really, Eanna.
Coming from a man who refers to an Irish player as a "knacker".

I was discussing someone's behaviour when i made that comment, and it has nothing to do with this. Yet again it shows that most of the Murphy-In brigade have little to offer indefence of Gunther when they resort to picking people up on their comments rather than focusing on the topic.

I agree very much with what Dalo said- he certainly has qualities. I think the guy is an excellent coach, but not a good manager. He needs somebody over him to sort things out when they get sticky. I hope he can win some silverware this season and then quit at the top, that way we'll all be happy.

**James** · 19/09/2002, 3:27 PM

well from what i heard he could be gone regardless of results this season..

**dalo** · 19/09/2002, 3:40 PM

Originally posted by James
well from what i heard he could be gone regardless of results this season..

tell us more james

yeah i do get the feeling it will be his last season alright

**patsh** · 19/09/2002, 3:45 PM

Originally posted by �anna
I was discussing someone's behaviour when i made that comment, and it has nothing to do with this. Yet again it shows that most of the Murphy-In brigade have little to offer indefence of Gunther when they resort to picking people up on their comments rather than focusing on the topic.

Read the thread, Eanna. I have already made my thoughts clear on the topic of Liam Murphy.
You appear to be making a distinction that is all right to call people disgusting names like the one you used, when discussing someone's behaviour, but not discussing a topic ??
How do you work that out ?
You rightly condemed the chants directed at Tony O'Dowd about his brother. Would you feel it ok to chant that he is a "knacker" ?
It is ok for you to point out peoples comments, but not to be picked up on your own ?
I am one of the Murphy-in people ??
Pray tell how you arrived at that deduction?

You are very fast with accusations and deciding on what camps people are in. I'm very happy to discuss anything with you, as I think you are one of the more articulate people on the board, but sometimes think before you type

**pete** · 19/09/2002, 3:58 PM

Originally posted by James
well from what i heard he could be gone regardless of results this season..

Is Murphy in the last year of his contract? Can anyone remember? I thought he got a 2 year extension after the initial good run he had when he took over from DM?

If he is in the last year of his contract would he not be offered an extension before it finished if he was to stay?

**�anna** · 19/09/2002, 7:23 PM

Originally posted by oddboy
You rightly condemed the chants directed at Tony O'Dowd about his brother. Would you feel it ok to chant that he is a "knacker" ?

During a game chanting at someone that they're a knacker (particularly the likes of o'dowd) would not offend me greatly. I accept (and i think I pointed it out earlier) that I had been over the top in my comments about gunther previously, but I think I rectified that. As for the other individual- I was (and still am) angry enough with him to feel full justification in calling him a knaker and worse.

**patsh** · 20/09/2002, 7:01 AM

Originally posted by �anna
As for the other individual- I was (and still am) angry enough with him to feel full justification in calling him a knaker and worse.

Well that tells me a lot more about you than all your posts on this board. (The term you use, btw, would be subject to the same sanctions as terms like '******' etc.)

**Troy.McClure** · 20/09/2002, 2:07 PM

Id tatally agree with what Dalo said a few posts back.

I think that the main flaw in the "Murphy Out" camp is that they have no-one to replace him. We have heard things like "Someone like Stephen Kenny" in the past, which Im sure everyone would be happy with, but the fact is, there is only one Stephen Kenny and he will not leave Bohs for Cork until structural and financial changes are made. We're not going to get Pat Dolan for obvious reasons. The only recognised manager available is Damien "on a break from football" Richardson, who talks the talk but has won sweet FA with very good Cork, Shels and Rovers sides (ie the guy is not a winner). If some one can suggest someone who is better than Gunther, then Id listen, but until then we might as well let the guy finish what he started and keep on our upward progression.

**�anna** · 20/09/2002, 3:11 PM

Originally posted by oddboy
Well that tells me a lot more about you than all your posts on this board. (The term you use, btw, would be subject to the same sanctions as terms like '******' etc.)

I'm not someone who would feel that much anger towards someone for any trivial reason, but in that particular case I felt it was fully justified. As for saying that word "knacker" is somehow equivalent to "******" - where did that come from? ****** is a racist insult, which I would never dream of using. Knacker isn't.

**James** · 20/09/2002, 3:15 PM

as for a replacement
i'd go with Rico

at least the managers notes in the programme would be a good read, and would bring extra income to the club through increased sales. ( now finding someone who could then understand or translate the said notes from Rico, would be an entirely different matter

)

**Troy.McClure** · 20/09/2002, 8:03 PM

Originally posted by �anna
****** is a racist insult, which I would never dream of using. Knacker isn't.

Ethnic insult maybe?

**Troy.McClure** · 20/09/2002, 8:07 PM

Originally posted by James
as for a replacement
i'd go with Rico

at least the managers notes in the programme would be a good read, and would bring extra income to the club through increased sales. ( now finding someone who could then understand or translate the said notes from Rico, would be an entirely different matter )

Well Inside Cork manages to translate it (although Im not too sure about understanding the guy).

He definatly sounds like a good manager, but he aint a winner. If we were happy enough to settle with 2nd or 3rd + Cup semis every year then fair enough, but I dont think that we are.

He's also the guy who moved Billy to left back, and Gaz into the centre (although theres only one person silly enough to keep him there)