Stan dials Carsley on his mobile and asks him are you available for selection for the games against Cyprus and the Czech republic. Surely that is all it would have taken.
Carsley declared he was retired. It is up to the player to declare himself available. Shoud Staunton also do that for Holland, Cunningham, Kiely before announcing every squad?Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Anyway whether we agree he should be in the squad or not it shows how low confidence in the current squad is that many people calling for Festers return.
Because, I am now convinced, He IS a GOBSH!TE!!
-He wanted to give the impression that he was his own man "I'm duh Gahhfer" with statements about how he was going to be flexible etc. use the granny rule to maximum effect and bring players back if possible
- Bringing Carr out of retirement was a major coup in his eyes, and introducing Terry Dixon was giving a sign that he was his own man. "I'm duh Gahhfer"
- He is now obliged to play Carr at right back despite his ineptness and despite Steve Finnan proving that this is his position.
- He played a 4-4-2 v Germany and it was "more of the same" as if Kerr or McCarthy has never left and he was only short of bringing Mark Kinsella back into midfield. His own man! flexibillity....my h0le!. Dixon, the Theo Walcott of Ireland. And kicking that water bottle, how pathetic! We deserved nthing out of that game.
-He wanted to give the impression that he was his own man "I'm duh Gahhfer" with statements about how he was going to be flexible etc. use the granny rule to maximum effect and bring players back if possible
- Carlsley has played every Everton game and been more thatn impressive. Alan Quinn although a player of potential hasn't being playing for Sheffiled Utd. and has little experience a thtis level. There is no comparison.
-Despite us having only 5 midfielders in the Premiership, he left Andy Reid out of the squad v Germany because He's duh gaffer.
-Carlsley and Andy Reid have to be our best options in midfield out of what we have available, yet Stan can't even see that and calling up Quinn before Carlsey makes no sense. (I know Charlton are not making Reid available v Cyprus) Carlsley has said he was available at least twice.
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I'm getting to the point where I am writing off this campaign. Basically we are rebuilding in the key areas of central defense and central midfield.
Stan did point out McCarthy's disciplinary record as the stumbling block to his inclusion. I think this is fair enough as we have O'Shea and the promisong St Ledger. Honestly McCarthy is certainly ahead of McShane at the mo though McShane is probbaly the better long term prospect.
Central midfield is dire, we really have nobody that is obviously international class. I think bringing in Carsley, who could never get past Kinsella or Holland, is not the way forward but we could use him for a game of two to bring stability but there is NO guarantee that he would - so is it worth the risk? I think Douglas can do a job alongside O'Shea or Miller.
Giving playing time to Kavangh is a complete waste of time. Hoping that Joey O'Brien and Owen Garvan get fit soon as these are probably our two best prospects.
Can any of us really say for sure who is the best from Mcshane, McCarthy and St Ledger. I mean Crafty aside we don't get too much exposure to the Championship. Maybe St Ledger is just the best of a mediocre bunch??
But there's definately a lack of consistency and transparency in Stans thinking. And this B****x attitude some managers have in that they account to no-one in the media riles me big time. The media are just that. The medium between him as manager and us the fans. And so long as the questions posed are relevent and not detremental to the squads efforts, Stan owes US and not necessarily the reporter the answer.
This side is without a doubt, player for player, the worse squad I can recall. And while that will be cited if we don't get the desired results over the next week, if Stan doesn't account for some of his actions and decisions I really think he should be ousted.
We should have gone for Roy Hodgson!!!
I would have thought the Carr thing was obvious. We have very little at left back so he wants Finnan to play there - hence the return of Carr to play right full. This is consistent - you mightn't agree with it but there is logic in it. So that answers the question you pose for this whole thread.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Statement from Carsley on the Everton website:
"Lee Carsley has cleared up the confusion regarding his current international situation.
He has spoken to Republic of Ireland manager Stephen Staunton to inform him of his desire to represent Ireland in the future.
Having previously been unavailable for international duty, Carsley made it known that he wanted to return when he recovered from injury.
He is now fully fit and was disappointed to miss out on the latest Ireland squad named last week.
But he has since spoken with the Republic boss to iron out his future.
He told evertonTV: "I have spoken with him now. We got our wires crossed because he thought I wanted to do something else.
"I have had a chat now and it is all sorted.
"Hopefully when the next squad is announced I will be involved,"
So, Stan hadn't spoken to Carsley ? What a muppet
Some very good points above. I particularly agree that Staunton should be made aware that the press is a conduit to inform the public.
It's true, Staunton's tenure so far has been full of inconsistencies & communications gaffs.
On the Paddy McCarthy summer call-up it was only reported fleetingly that McCarthy was injured. It was pointed out to me on foot.ie by eirebhoy I think, yet I scour the press and FAI website daily for reports and I never noticed mention of an injury.
I think we're being spun a right old yarn over the Carsley availability. As Noely says, it's a simple issue. There is no room for ambiguity. If I ring a mate for a drink I ask can he go for a drink. Within 5 seconds I know whether he's available. Same applies to whether Carsley can play football next week. Don't believe for a second that what we read is what happened.
You can be cynical and say that kicking the water bottle in Stuttgart was for show, or just simply naive, but I watched him throughout the game & actually liked the way he was shouting at the players throughout. Team selection appears to be straight from the Charlton/Mick/Kerr manual alright (admittedly only on the basis of ONE competitive game) but I've seen nothing yet to suggest he hasn't got the players fired up.
He's perfectly entitled to make value judgments over who of SSL, McShane & McCarthy to pick. Let's hope that that's what he has done & based on good foundation.
I'll be very interested in seeing the teams he picks over the coming days, and how he handles the media.
Exactly. And we have had the Paddy McCarthy nonsense when he stated that someone had already watched him in a game that hadn't yet taken place.
I have no grá for staunton but as he is the manager of the Irish team i hope he does well. The way he reacts to the press and the obvious lack of detail he offers when he makes a decision make me fear that if we have a bad result in cyprus (like a draw) and we are poor against the czechs..then he could be the first Irish manager to have "you don't know what your doing" chanted at him in lansdowne....i hope this doesn't happen but unless the Fai get off their arses and realise bobby robson is not coming back and that stan needs guidance prompto then it will all end in tears for both stan and the supporters. We have a small pool of players to choose from and still the debate he has caused over this squad is amazing......he needs to change his stubborn persona..if he gets the fans onside he will draw some comfort ..otherwise forget it
Bring back the plank
Given the title of this thread I've got to put in this quote from Staunton:
"But we’re not going to be not trying to qualify for this tournament."
Two negatives = a positive I suppose.
In fairness, I agreed with a lot of what else he said in the press conference yesterday, and even if I didn't, at least he was giving clarity on some issues. Clarity beats ambiguity any day.
But how important really are soundbites at press conferences ? Big Jack could barely bring himself to talk to the media and I seldom pay much heed to them. It's what he says to the players on the training ground and in the dressing room that counts. The rest is PR stuff and doesn't matter if the team performs well - if it doesn't then the fans latch on to it and pick holes in every word. If we are successful no one gives a damn about them.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Here's the rest of what he said, from today's Examiner:
Said Staunton: “I’m not saying [Carsley's] not in my plans but at the moment I’m going along with what lads I have. They deserve a chance because they’ve been in the squad since I took over the job. I’m looking forward. It would be a kick in the teeth to the lads who are in there. They have to grow up and take the bull by the horns. If they get their chance on Saturday or Wednesday, they have to do it because that’s what I’m looking for in the future.”
Staunton was not inclined to go along with the pointed suggestion that emergency situations demand emergency solutions.
“We’ve got players in those positions,” he insisted. “They’ll be the ones in the possession of the jersey. How they do will determine whether I need to call people back into the squad or not. In central midfield we still have two that played in Germany, Kevin Kilbane and John O’ Shea.
“As regards experience, the only way the players in this squad will get experience is by playing. As I’ve said all along it’s a rebuilding job. If it’s a pressure situation, they’ve got to deal with it. They’re doing that every week at their clubs and this is another step, another level for them. They’ll be ready for it. Whoever gets the chance has to take it.”
Mention of KK and JOS together scares me, though surely one must move to left-full now.
I won't be too disappointed if O'Shea & Miller play central mid.
I think it's clear that Staunton is prepared to trust young players or those yet to properly make their mark, like Miller. Fair enough, if that's how he's approaching it then good luck. I supported Mick during his tough start as he was trying to do the same.
Given what he's been saying can he possibly leave McGeady on the bench? He acknowledged his great club form on SKY Sports News last night.
Here's hoping whoever he entrusts rises to the occasion. If they're good enough they'll do it. McGeady still has time on his side but for the likes of Miller or Douglas it could be a career defining week. It's also worth noting that John O'Shea can no longer hide behind the excuse of potential. At his age & with his club experience NOW is the time for him to step up. If he can't do it now he never will.
Owls Fan, I was typing as you responded. Personally I read nothing into that quote, I just thought it was funny in the context of the thread's title, "Staunton's Contradiction". My comments in the post above more accurately portray what I thought of Staunton's remarks to the press.
I was watching Setanta last night and a show called the full SPL, Setanta version of Match of the Day. On it where Ally Mc Coist and Walter Smith and the ex manager of Dundee , Duff.
Anyway they devoted a half hour at leat to Scotland internationals in the coming week.
I thought it was refreshing to see a managment team been so open on a show such as this.
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The debate is because up to recently the team pretty much picked itself. It has very little to do with anything Staunton has or hasn't done. We now have a collection of mediocre midfielders, none of whom stands out for selection so there is bound to be debate. Don't use that to attack him.
As for his stubborn persona - Big Jack didn't exactly fall over himself to please the media. As I said elsewhere, results are all that matters and he'll live or die on the basis of those and his persona will be irrelevant. It might just hasten his departure slightly if things go pear shaped.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
I'm not sure why Staunton is allowed to get away with this attitude. These are more or less the same players that were one result away from qualifying for the last two tournaments (minus Cunningham and Roy Keane from the first choice team). The vast majority of the press and, most importantly, John Delaney said that the players were good enough but failure to qualify was down to the manager - Kerr not having adequate experience of the game in England to motivate our millionaire footballers. Failing to qualify after his first full campaign and, according to Delaney, "a drop in our FIFA world ranking"
Our best players - Given, Finnan, Duff, Keane - are supposedly in their prime right now. I can't see that other key players in Staunton's team like Carr, Harte, O'Shea, S. Reid, Kilbane will be better prepared for 2010 than 2008. Why write off this tournament so easily?
It's a blatant exercise in managing expectations to cover Delaney's ass for making this appointment. If Ireland finish top-4 in this group the spin will be that it was an excellent achievement and a platform to build on.
SIGNATURESCOPE
Just been listening to the FAI podcast with Kevin Mc Donald, He sounds more impressive then Staunton to be honest.
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Exactly Jerry.
Its pure PR to justify what was a complete gamble in appointing a managerial nobody.
Delaney is a complete chancer.
Tottally agree with you on that.
Anybody see the interview with Kevin Mc Donald on TV3. I did not see it but I have been informed of the contents of the interview. I did not realise that Mc Donald is still with Villa. Staunton spends a lot of time down at Vialls training ground and has long chats with O Neill and Mc Donald about football tactics etc.
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