Bohs offside goal

**hoops1** · 26/09/2006, 3:56 PM

Gareth Cronin and the lads on EL Weekly last night made good points
Its not the offside decision that annoyed Waterford but the 2 sendings off
Surely the Ref knew that the Waterford lads were going to be upset.
Two bookings instead of two reds would have allowed the game to be
competitive.
Incidentally I have see that Lineswoman a few times and she is useless

**CharlesThompson** · 26/09/2006, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by hoops1

Gareth Cronin and the lads on EL Weekly last night made good points
Its not the offside decision that annoyed Waterford but the 2 sendings off
Surely the Ref knew that the Waterford lads were going to be upset.
Two bookings instead of two reds would have allowed the game to be
competitive.
Incidentally I have see that Lineswoman a few times and she is useless

Whatever about the second sending off the first lad that got sent off was sent off for pushing the ref with his two hands in the chest. The other lad probably just called her a ****.

**Aaron** · 26/09/2006, 7:34 PM

Put it this way then, if two people are standing in the corner and are given the ball to play all well.....but if the ball is taken away from them, they are not in play so technically they are not interfering. Thats how an old ref in the junior leagues in derry taught it. I'm not saying its entirely correct but i would agree with it

**blue til i die** · 26/09/2006, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesThompson

Whatever about the second sending off the first lad that got sent off was sent off for pushing the ref with his two hands in the chest. The other lad probably just called her a ****.

i've heard McCarthy pushed the ref, was at the game, and watched it on EL Weekly, but didn't actually see him pushing the Ref. The second sending off was Cawley, but he had already be booked earlier in the game when the Ref went on a bookin spree and booked about 5 waterford players in about ten minutes, so he just booked him again!!

**CharlesThompson** · 26/09/2006, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by blue til i die

i've heard McCarthy pushed the ref, was at the game, and watched it on EL Weekly, but didn't actually see him pushing the Ref.

I saw him push the referee. He had to go.

**ConfusedBlue** · 27/09/2006, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by BohsBohsBohs

Do you guys not remember the exact same situation last season when Bohs lost to Waterford in the RSC? The linesman flagged for offside, the Bohs players didn't play the whistle, and Waterford scored.

At last some sense,sometimes you're the pigeon and other times you're the statue.It just happens that this time we were the statue that was inevitably shat upon!!!

Fact of the matter is most of our squad is young and inexperienced(very few of them were in the squad for that gamelast year,let alone played in it) and will hopefully learn from their mistakes.
The most surprising thing for me was the fact that it was 2 of the more senior squad members that got sent off and they only joined the club 5-6 weeks ago!!!At least it shows Cronin has instilled abit of passion into the side,unlike his predecessor!!!!

**R�iteoir** · 27/09/2006, 12:13 AM

Asked the question about the goal to a Licensed Referees Instructor with the English FA tonight - here is his answer to the question - just to clear this up once and for all:

Dear R, thank you for your question.

Law 11 states:

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
� interfering with play
or
� interfering with an opponent
or
� gaining an advantage by, being in that position

The offside player in your scenario who is walking back, does not seem to have been involved in active play, therefore, he has not committed any offence.

The goal is legal.

I hope that this helps.

Regards,

Julian Carosi

**bigmac** · 27/09/2006, 9:22 AM

Reiteoir,
Just a query,
From that explanation, how could a situation arise (not related to the Bohs match) where a blatantly offside player doesn't play the ball but waits in an offside position until a teammate gets the ball, then when his teammate passes him (and he is onside) can receive a pass to score.
I have some hazy recollection of Ruud Van Nistelrooy scoring a goal in a situation like that some while ago. Surely he gained an advantage by being in that position and therefore is involved in active play? But as I recall, the goal stood.

**Schumi** · 27/09/2006, 11:41 AM

But he's not involved in active play until his second teammate passes him the ball and he's onside then so it's OK. That's how I read it anyway.

**bigmac** · 27/09/2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

But he's not involved in active play until his second teammate passes him the ball and he's onside then so it's OK. That's how I read it anyway.

Yeah, that's the argument - but surely by being ahead of the play to begin with he gains the advantage of being ahead of the defenders.
Hypothetically let's consider someone playing up front alongside Thierry Henry (or some other very fast player). Henry is onside but his pace takes him clear of everyone, except his teammate. If his teammate had been onside, then the defenders would have arrived in the box at the same time to receive a pass, but because he begins from an offside position he gets there unmarked - is this not gaining an unfair advantage and therefore should be offside?

**BohsFans** · 27/09/2006, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by bigmac

Yeah, that's the argument - but surely by being ahead of the play to begin with he gains the advantage of being ahead of the defenders.
Hypothetically let's consider someone playing up front alongside Thierry Henry (or some other very fast player). Henry is onside but his pace takes him clear of everyone, except his teammate. If his teammate had been onside, then the defenders would have arrived in the box at the same time to receive a pass, but because he begins from an offside position he gets there unmarked - is this not gaining an unfair advantage and therefore should be offside?

Not really, his team then have one less defender or outlet/man back.

It's all legal.

**bigmac** · 28/09/2006, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Not really, his team then have one less defender or outlet/man back.

Don't really get this comment - you're saying there's no advantage in starting your run ahead of the defenders so you can keep up with your teammate because it'll leave you short at the back?

**BohsFans** · 28/09/2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by bigmac

Don't really get this comment - you're saying there's no advantage in starting your run ahead of the defenders so you can keep up with your teammate because it'll leave you short at the back?

I think this thread should be put to bed b4 anymore ridiculous analogies are dreamt up!

**bigmac** · 28/09/2006, 4:32 PM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

I think this thread should be put to bed b4 anymore ridiculous analogies are dreamt up!

It was a serious question, I don't understand your response to the question I asked about a player gaining an advantage by being offside.

**bluemovie** · 29/09/2006, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Have you seen our injury list?

A 16 yr old came on for us in the second half!

Well whoop-de-doo. We regularly have 16 and 17 year olds playing for us this season. A 16 year old defender scored on his debut as a sub for us against Shels. FACT

I love the way it was 'so unproffessional' of the Blues players to stop when they saw the flag. Most of the Bohs players stopped too. Did you see the look of shock on their faces when the goal was given? So don't berrate the Waterford players for being unproffessional when it's the officials who don't know the rules of the game. I have no gripe against Bohs - they've had 2 of the worst decisions I've ever seen given against them in recent months.

Anyway, playing to the whistle is easier said than done. It's a natural reaction to take notice when the referee's hindrance is waving a flag, or if there are two balls on the pitch, or if a meteorite hits the pitch.

I know it was a fabrication (and a different sport), but technically, the point should have been allowed in the Michael Collins film when the tanks rolled onto Croke Park and started shooting. The ref never blew his whistle.

**CharlesThompson** · 29/09/2006, 2:24 PM

Who thinks the goal should not have been given so?

**hoops1** · 29/09/2006, 2:33 PM

I think it was a goal alright , would anyone say McKeon added to the confusion by raising his hand in a manner similiar to awarding an indirect free
kick(but he was telling lineswoman to put flag down)

**BohsFans** · 29/09/2006, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by bluemovie

I love the way it was 'so unproffessional' of the Blues players to stop when they saw the flag. Most of the Bohs players stopped too. Did you see the look of shock on their faces when the goal was given? So don't berrate the Waterford players for being unproffessional when it's the officials who don't know the rules of the game.

Not what happened. Anyway your so unbelievably bitter over the whole thing, I'm just gonna drop it.

**BohDiddley** · 30/09/2006, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by bluemovie

I know it was a fabrication (and a different sport), but technically, the point should have been allowed in the Michael Collins film when the tanks rolled onto Croke Park and started shooting. The ref never blew his whistle.

That is just priceless