Biased Dublin Refs

**BohDiddley** · 26/09/2006, 11:57 AM

Good piece in the Times by Emmet M today. Bohs bits on this season's atrocious trilogy here.

**dcfcsteve** · 26/09/2006, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

This is the type of thing the NLSA should be looking to raise. Clubs can't criticise refs, as they risk fines etc. The fans, however, can. Why doesn't the NLSA write a letter to John Delaney stating that the level of refeering is now damaging the league, listing the more ridiculous decisions this year (Bohs goal, Bohs non-goal, Jennings sending off etc), and then press release the leter to the national media as well ? Papers will love the whole 'national fans representative body openly criticises refeering standards' angle. If the NLSA doesn't exist to tackle things like this, what does it exist for....?

Anyone from the NLSA care to commment on the above ?

I posted a similar suggestion on the NLSA messageboard a couple of days ago, that has been looked at 5 times without response.

Do we have a fan body interested in raising fan issues, or does the NLSA aspire primarily to be a ticket agency for the FAI ? I think it's important we know....

**bohs til i die** · 26/09/2006, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

This is the type of thing the NLSA should be looking to raise. Clubs can't criticise refs, as they risk fines etc. The fans, however, can. Why doesn't the NLSA write a letter to John Delaney stating that the level of refeering is now damaging the league, listing the more ridiculous decisions this year (Bohs goal, Bohs non-goal, Jennings sending off etc), and then press release the leter to the national media as well ? Papers will love the whole 'national fans representative body openly criticises refeering standards' angle. If the NLSA doesn't exist to tackle things like this, what does it exist for....?

if the NLSA is to take up some sort of issue with John Delaney over the refereeing in the league then they fine, but the Jennings sending off was a correct decision.

Bring up incidents that are 100% clear cut caes of incompetence, not incidents were the referee actually got it right.

**dcfcsteve** · 26/09/2006, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

if the NLSA is to take up some sort of issue with John Delaney over the refereeing in the league then they fine, but the Jennings sending off was a correct decision.

Bring up incidents that are 100% clear cut caes of incompetence, not incidents were the referee actually got it right.

Look at the bigger picture BTID. Refs are sh!t in the league, and live TV is exposing that. I don't give a feck about giving 'contentious' examples of this (and your verdict on Jennings sending off is merely opinion, just as Stepehen Kenny's and Mick Neville's different interpretation was opinion). Regardless - there are plenty of cast-iron examples where refs have just been woeful, assuming examples are required to back-up any statement.

The refs have been a joke this year, and someone needs to say that. I can't see anyone being willing or able to say it except the press and the fans. We have a representative body for EL fans/supporters clubs, who would be the ideal people to raise this issue. So I'd like to know if they're interested in raising this, or if they see their role as purely being the distribution of tickets for the FAI ?

**Aaron** · 26/09/2006, 3:12 PM

Well stone me look who is ref for the bohs-v-derry game on 6th Oct, only Ian Stokes!!! If he is fair then i'll hold my hands up, if he is biased towards derry, i'll accept its incompetence and rubbish but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions, then my point will prove almost correct.....we shall wait and see???

**aido1895** · 26/09/2006, 3:30 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

Well stone me look who is ref for the bohs-v-derry game on 6th Oct, only Ian Stokes!!! If he is fair then i'll hold my hands up, if he is biased towards derry, i'll accept its incompetence and rubbish but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions, then my point will prove almost correct.....we shall wait and see???

You mean all the decisions referees have given derry incorrectly so far this season dont count as bias ?
It seems from you and other derry fans when a decision is given against derry its bias and when derry get a dodgy decision in their favour its . . . . well derry have never got a dodgy decision have they - I mean Shels didnt deserve a penalty last friday and sean hargan shouldnt have been sent off sure he was only saying hello to the lad

**DmanDmythDledge** · 26/09/2006, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

Well stone me look who is ref for the bohs-v-derry game on 6th Oct. If he is fair then i'll hold my hands up, if he is biased towards derry, i'll accept its incompetence and rubbish but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions, then my point will prove almost correct.....we shall wait and see???

This post completely takes away any validity your argument ever had.

However, your argument never had any validity anyway.

**elliott06** · 26/09/2006, 3:33 PM

I have nightmares at night wondering how these referees gain their liscences!! I have going to the Brandywell for a long time now and it has been evident since day 1 that the referees have been biased towards Derry and perhaps also cork.

Something should be done immediatly, but the only good thing is that all those red cards have been televised and perhaps this will make the situation better. Does anyone no how long are keepers will be banned, will they be able to play against ucd on sunday??

**DmanDmythDledge** · 26/09/2006, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by elliott06

ISomething should be done immediatly, but the only good thing is that all those red cards have been televised and perhaps this will make the situation better. Does anyone no how long are keepers will be banned, will they be able to play against ucd on sunday??

AFAIK Forde will be able to play.

**Aaron** · 26/09/2006, 3:47 PM

This post completely takes away any validity your argument ever had.

However, your argument never had any validity anyway.

And so if stokes is biased towards bohs, will it have any validity then.....BTW everyone goes on about how we get dodgy decisions in our favour i agree. But the point i'm making is that every team will get dodgy decisions from refs every now and then but when ur team consistently gets dodgy decisions against them from refs from the same city as the opposing team, wot are we expected to think....aww just bad refereeing and incompetence!!! MY ARSE!!

**higgins** · 26/09/2006, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Good piece in the Times by Emmet M today. Bohs bits on this season's atrocious trilogy here.

Are there video clips of the incidents?
Crazy decisions!!

**aido1895** · 26/09/2006, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by elliott06

..... it has been evident since day 1 that the referees have been biased towards Derry and perhaps also cork.

So referees are showing bias towards Derry, ah yes the truth is out

Originally Posted by elliott06

... the only good thing is that all those red cards have been televised and perhaps this will make the situation better.....

Agreed, hopefully now derry fans can see that Jennings was sent off for a dangerous tackle/serious foul play.

**Schumi** · 26/09/2006, 3:56 PM

when ur team consistently gets dodgy decisions against them from refs from the same city as the opposing team, wot are we expected to think....aww just bad refereeing and incompetence!!! MY ARSE!!

But the problem is that lots of those decisions are correct, e.g. the three recent red cards were all good decisions and I'm far from a Shels fan, despite being from Dublin amazingly.

**aido1895** · 26/09/2006, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

But the problem is that lots of those decisions are correct, e.g. the three recent red cards were all good decisions and I'm far from a Shels fan, despite being from Dublin amazingly.

Ssssssshhhhh, that doesnt matter to the poor downtrodden derry folk . Dont you know referees arent allowed send derry players off

**DmanDmythDledge** · 26/09/2006, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

And so if stokes is biased towards bohs, will it have any validity then.....BTW everyone goes on about how we get dodgy decisions in our favour i agree. But the point i'm making is that every team will get dodgy decisions from refs every now and then but when ur team consistently gets dodgy decisions against them from refs from the same city as the opposing team, wot are we expected to think....aww just bad refereeing and incompetence!!! MY ARSE!!

Seems to me that you know you've completely lost this argument and now have to deal with hypothetical analogies.

And yes you should think that it is bad refereeing and incompetence. In 10 years of going to EL games I've never seen a ref get every single decision right.

Incidentally, as I've seen very little of Derry this season, could you give an example of this, and I'll use your own words for this, "consistent dodgy decisions" against Derry, from a Dublin team, with a Dublin ref. And don't use the recent ones against Shels because almost everyone agrees that they were all red cards.

**BohsFans** · 26/09/2006, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

but if he continues to favour bohs by giving them rediculous decisions

What are you talking about continues?

Go and have a look at the league cup semi against Shels and see if he ever started giving us favourable decisions!

**NY Hoop** · 26/09/2006, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Anyone from the NLSA care to commment on the above ?

I posted a similar suggestion on the NLSA messageboard a couple of days ago, that has been looked at 5 times without response.

Do we have a fan body interested in raising fan issues, or does the NLSA aspire primarily to be a ticket agency for the FAI ? I think it's important we know....

Totally unfair and you know it. At the meetings the ticket issue takes about a minute. The rest is taken with EL matters.

The refereeing problems will be brought up at the next meeting.

Calm down its not a conspiracy against DCFC.

KOH

**pete** · 26/09/2006, 4:34 PM

Referees are not biased, to be biased they would need to know what they doing.

Referees will always make decisions which some people will agree on & others will not. I think the difference this season is that some clear examples where decisions made to award goals that never crossed the line & also not ward goals that have crossed the line. These are basic rules of the game & not opinions on events on the pitch.

What is the solution? How do you make referees better when they are volunteers?

**passerrby** · 26/09/2006, 4:46 PM

very well paid volunteers

**OneRedArmy** · 26/09/2006, 5:31 PM

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Incidentally, as I've seen very little of Derry this season, could you give an example of this, and I'll use your own words for this, "consistent dodgy decisions" against Derry, from a Dublin team, with a Dublin ref. And don't use the recent ones against Shels because almost everyone agrees that they were all red cards.

"almost everyone" doesn't agree with the Derry sendings off, including some of the print and TV media.

Add in Heary's non-sending off for striking an opponent, 2 yards in front of the 4th official and this is where people get conspiracy theories from.

Emmet Malone's piece in the IT is balanced enough.

Almost every league in the world uses geographically neutral refs, why do we have to be different? (the composition of the panel is irrelevant, its not like they are head and shoulders above the rest)

And why the hell should it be a surprise that a bunch of Dubs (as most of the posters on this thread are) rubbish accusations of Dublin bias?

I'll say it again for the hard of hearing, there's an easy solution to this, APPOINT A NEUTRAL REF.