Biased Dublin Refs

[razor]

You've plenty more games left to win the league.
This incident is only a setback. Build a bridge, get over it!

Boutros Boutros Peadar, I think your new role is having a pacifying effect on you. In moderation of course.

[Peadar]

In moderation of course.

Everything in moderation is good!

I think we need to save our venom for when referees make outrageous decisions and wasting it on justifiable decisions, like in the two previous meetings between Shels and Derry, will decrease the credibility of our disapproval.

[Aaron]

Would a striker in possession of the ball with two defenders who CANNOT handle the ball to beat be considered a CLEAR GOALSCORING OPPORTUNITY?

In my opinion it is a clear goalscoring opportunity.

If a centre half fouls a striker who would then only have the goalkeeper to beat, would the centre half be considered to have prevented a CLEAR GOALSCORING OPPORTUNITY despite the fact the striker would still have to get the ball past an opposition player?

Yes he would, and a red card would be the result according to the rules.

So two defenders covering the AWOL goalkeeper is the same in my opinion as having a goalkeeper in position.


The striker doesnt have to be denied an open goal for it to be classed as a clear goal-scoring opportunity.

There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry. He told me that if the ball was heading towards the corner and there are two defenders covering then its NOT a clear goalscoring oppertunity. Thats from an ex-pro ref. Another thing, he also told me (off subject) that the offside rule has never changed. He said the rule from the very start is that if a player who was between the goalkeeper and the last line of defence and touches the ball, he is offside, but if there are players standing in an offside position and someone from an onside position comes and collects the ball, it is onside. The offside players were not interfering with play so it cannot be given. This is to clear up the argument about the goal bohs got against waterford. As for the refs now, i now realise there are bad refs and certain bias towards certain teams. This clears any rant i made earlier!

[harpskid]

There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry.

That's Derry bias

[Schumi]

If anything, the very fact that they decided to become a referee would suggest that they dislike football and want to harm it.

It certainly looks like it.

[Peadar]

There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry.

Thats from an ex-pro ref.

Now seriously, how can you expect any credibility when you have that in your post!

[Réiteoir]

My God - this thread is probably one of the worst for sheer stupidity and arseness around here for a long time - and that's saying something.

Straying into Libelous and Deformation of Character in some places - hope some of you (mainly City til I Die) have decent solicitors...


Anyway - time to address some points on here:

The rules state (among other criteria) that for a professional foul the player must be moving towards goal, so Derry were absolutely robbed on Friday.

Incorrect.

Couple of points:

• the term "Professional Foul" has NEVER appeared in Law.

• An Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity - players don't have to be going towards goal - they just have to have a chance to shoot at goal - look at it this way - if a player is forced wide and gets taken out in the area by the goalkeeper when all he has to do is go around him to get the shot off - but there are two defenders back covering on the goal line - you would send the keeper off. Some people on here seem to think that a couple of defenders back covering disqualifies the notion of a Goalscoring Opportunity - and by there logic - the keeper should be cautioned and allowed to remain on the field of play.

ALL of the dismissals in the two Derry - Shels games were spot on within Law.

Forde came out with his hands up deliberately - handled the ball and stopped it going through for the attacking player to have a clear shot on goal - ergo - Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity.

The second red in the Final - reckless challenge - that if connected - may have broken the Shels player's legs.

As for the one missed by the referee in that incident - I have to say - I missed it myself in real time - only having seen the replay did I pick up the violent conduct. In this case - it's up to the FAI to retrospectively suspend the Shels player.

As for Jennings on Friday - again - he's denied an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity (see my second bullet point above)

There is an oul ref in the LOI who is retired now and works at the tech in derry. He told me that if the ball was heading towards the corner and there are two defenders covering then its NOT a clear goalscoring oppertunity. Thats from an ex-pro ref. Another thing, he also told me (off subject) that the offside rule has never changed. He said the rule from the very start is that if a player who was between the goalkeeper and the last line of defence and touches the ball, he is offside, but if there are players standing in an offside position and someone from an onside position comes and collects the ball, it is onside. The offside players were not interfering with play so it cannot be given. This is to clear up the argument about the goal bohs got against waterford. As for the refs now, i now realise there are bad refs and certain bias towards certain teams. This clears any rant i made earlier!

Firstly on the "oul LOI ref" and his assertion on the obvious goalscoring opportunity - see my second bullet point above. If that's his interpretation of Law then I wouldn't be surprised if he was removed from the LOI not due to age, but due to not applying Law correctly / poor marks.

As for the assertion on the Offside Law never changing - it has changed and been clarified several times over the years - see here for full details: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...ub/offhist.htm

I'll raise you a referee ignoring his lines(wo)man's flag and then sending off two players for protesting!

Once again - three correct decisions - and some of the abuse being flung at the Assistant by the two Waterford players was horrendous...

[Sheridan]

Additionally, I'm 90% certain I saw Brennan booked for mouthing to the ref after Forde's dismissal and that he was, consequently, sent off for a second yellow (in which case the ref was remarkably lenient.)

[trevy]

There should be more non Dublin refs in the league and then these neutral refs could referee games between a Dublin club and a provincial club to avoid allegations of bias towards Dublin clubs by Dublin refs.Is there some law out there saying you have to be from Dublin or Cork to ref in the Eircom League .
The refs are probably not biased just incompetent.

[Peadar]

Additionally, I'm 90% certain I saw Brennan booked for mouthing to the ref after Forde's dismissal and that he was, consequently, sent off for a second yellow (in which case the ref was remarkably lenient.)

Someone was definitely booked.
I remember thinking that he had only booked Forde and thought he was lucky to be still on the pitch.

[Krstic]

Why should it be so un-thinkable, in light of the recent high profile Italian scandal, that officials here in Ireland would be in no way open to or willing to accept money in order to give favourable decisions.

Are we so squeaky clean?
I think you only need to look at Irish politicians to realise that we live in quite a corrupt state, so why shouldn't it transcend to referees?

[Réiteoir]

Why should it be so un-thinkable, in light of the recent high profile Italian scandal, that officials here in Ireland would be in no way open to or willing to accept money in order to give favourable decisions.

Are we so squeaky clean?
I think you only need to look at Irish politicians to realise that we live in quite a corrupt state, so why shouldn't it transcend to referees?

Come off it ffs

[NY Hoop]

Stupid thread title. Most refs dont care what teams they officiate at. To say they have a Dublin bias is laughable. Talk to any EL fan and they will tell you that its incompetency across the board.

As for paying off officials do you think clubs here have money to even pay their own players let alone the refs?

KOH

[Krstic]

Come off it ffs

So you know for certain there's no corruption in irish sport?

Happy days then, all's ok

[EnDai]

Nobody knows anything for certain (are you certain there is?). But to start suggesting that either Dublin clubs, or EL/FAI officials acting in favour of Dublin clubs, are paying referees money is just absurd, and libelous. Besides, most clubs struggle to afford paying their own staff, nevermind the amounts of money required to bribe officials. There is not enough money in the league for such circumstances, IMO anyways.

Are you all ignoring the examples given of bad decisions against Dublin clubs? Do they go down as poor decisions, yet when they go against you the referee is clearly on the take?

[dublinred]

a few years ago in a cup match in tolka one of the Sligo rovers players rounded the Shams keeper and was brought down inside the box , the ref gave the penalty instantly but only booked the keeper who then saved the peno , the ref tryed to justify this decison afterwards by pointing out that the ball was not heading towards goal so therefore was a yellow card offence , I am nearly sure the ref was Dave McKeon.

[bohs til i die]

Why should it be so un-thinkable, in light of the recent high profile Italian scandal, that officials here in Ireland would be in no way open to or willing to accept money in order to give favourable decisions.

Are we so squeaky clean?
I think you only need to look at Irish politicians to realise that we live in quite a corrupt state, so why shouldn't it transcend to referees?

well it is one way of explaining the amount of favourable decisions Derry have received from match officials in the Brandywell since the mid 80's.

[Aaron]

players don't have to be going towards goal - they just have to have a chance to shoot at goal -

So if a player has a chance of shooting from 50 yards and is brought down he shud be sent off??

[Réiteoir]

OBVIOUS Goalscoring Opportunity

[football fan]

a few years ago in a cup match in tolka one of the Sligo rovers players rounded the Shams keeper and was brought down inside the box , the ref gave the penalty instantly but only booked the keeper who then saved the peno , the ref tryed to justify this decison afterwards by pointing out that the ball was not heading towards goal so therefore was a yellow card offence , I am nearly sure the ref was Dave McKeon.

John McDermott actually and again if you are having a go at a referee about a certain decision at least get the name of the referee right!!