QuoteI'll raise you a referee ignoring his lines(wo)man's flag and then sending off two players for protesting!Originally Posted by sonofstan
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I'll raise you a referee ignoring his lines(wo)man's flag and then sending off two players for protesting!
Foot.ie's entire existence is predicated on the average idiot's inability to ignore other idiots
A referee making three correct descisions hardly counts now does it?
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
I think we can see that one (to keep this creaky metaphor going) since the same thing happened to us in the RSC last year - although at least our players had the sense not to go pushing officials around the place
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yeah, see my reply in the thread on it for a more detailed exposition - just pointing out that there are crap loads of incidents where one team feels hard done by but it doesn't mean that the refs are biased at all.
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Was that not an Irish League referee. I think it was Davy Malcolm but not sure.
Are the rules clear though? I could be wrong but I think the fact that players were covering is irrelevant and it is a red card if a player stops a clear goalscoring opportunity with foul play.
The worst referee that I have ever seen and with the Irish League refs that is saying something.
Covering players generally mean its interpreted as not a clear goalscoring opportunity.
define a clear goalscoring opportunity?
Would Jason Byrne have been able to get to the ball and shoot for goal with the keeper AWOL?
IMO thats a clear goalscoring opportunity ......
good point - an outfield player (or two) covering is not the same as akeeper or keeper and defender covering.
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The rules state (among other criteria) that for a professional foul the player must be moving towards goal, so Derry were absolutely robbed on Friday.
While I'd like to agree that its a Dublin ref conspiracy, can you really comprehend the FAI/League/referees having the ability to organise something on that scale? Yes referees giving shocking decisions against non-Dublin teams, they also give shocking decisions against Dublin teams- a simple example is Bohs suffered grieviously at Bray and Drogs (or are both of those also Dublin teams ;-) )
can we have a poll on this maybe?
do you believe that EL referees are
(a) incompetent but basically unbiased
(b) incompetent and biased towards certain teams
(c) excellent and unbiased
(d) excellent but biased towards certain teams
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Drogheda v Bohs, June 2nd 2006
- Drogheda awarded a penalty outside the area
Ref: Dave McKeon
Bray v Bohs, August 11th 2006
- Paul Devlin scores, goal kick awarded as the officials dont see it
- Bohs fined €250 after Gareth Farrelly dismissed from dugout for arguing about that decision [that fact that he shouldnt have been there is irrelevant], we still got fined for our manager arguing over an INCORRECT decision
Ref: Alan Kelly
Bohs v Drogheda, September 1st 2006
http://irishfootballonline.com/clubs...ns&newsid=5289
Check out the top picture.
Ref: Anthony Buttimer
We have had 3 plain WRONG decisions given against us, Derry fans are arguing over referee's interpretations of the rules.
The assistant referee gave that goal though, didn't he?
I agree with you 100%
The referee has a call to make on the spot and he does, it's about opinion. The decisions against Bohs this season simply beggar belief.
Like I said about Stokes sending Devine off v Longball in the Cup, he had a call to make and it's hard to argue about that.
From what I've seen of the two Derry keepers getting sent off, I think both decisions were right. Failing to spot the antics of Heary is simply a matter of too much going on at the one time. Easy to spot when you've got a load of cameras in the ground, not so easy to spot if you're on the pitch.
I certainly think that Stokes does his best, and is usually fair. Certainly not biased. Dave McKeon is quite simply incomptetent!
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Buttimer was at the edge of the penalty area and should ahve been able to see the ball in the middle of the 6 yard box, but it was the assistant who gave the goal, think his name is Ian Ward
But how can it be considered a "clear goal-scoring opportunity" if :
a) The attacking player is moving away from goal at the time; and
b) There are 2 other players covering behind the player involved in the foul ??
How can you be a cert, or even likely, to score when you're running away from goal and you still have another 2 players to get the ball past/around ??
I was not speaking about any incident in particular. I only seen the start of the Shels-Derry game the other night so did not see the sending off. Even if there are players covering it could still be a clear goalscoring opportunity though. I take your point about going away from the goal.But how can it be considered a "clear goal-scoring opportunity" if :
a) The attacking player is moving away from goal at the time; and
b) There are 2 other players covering behind the player involved in the foul ??
How can you be a cert, or even likely, to score when you're running away from goal and you still have another 2 players to get the ball past/around ??
I've said this elsewhere, Steve, but Jennings is going away from goal, Byrne is going towards the goal, by trying to round the keeper.
Be objective and consider Jennings missing Byrne completely and landing on his arse, while Byrne continued, in the same direction with the ball.
You've plenty more games left to win the league.
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But how can it be considered a "clear goal-scoring opportunity" if :
a) The attacking player is moving away from goal at the time; and
b) There are 2 other players covering behind the player involved in the foul ??
How can you be a cert, or even likely, to score when you're running away from goal and you still have another 2 players to get the ball past/around ??
Would a striker in possession of the ball with two defenders who CANNOT handle the ball to beat be considered a CLEAR GOALSCORING OPPORTUNITY?
In my opinion it is a clear goalscoring opportunity.
If a centre half fouls a striker who would then only have the goalkeeper to beat, would the centre half be considered to have prevented a CLEAR GOALSCORING OPPORTUNITY despite the fact the striker would still have to get the ball past an opposition player?
Yes he would, and a red card would be the result according to the rules.
So two defenders covering the AWOL goalkeeper is the same in my opinion as having a goalkeeper in position.
The striker doesnt have to be denied an open goal for it to be classed as a clear goal-scoring opportunity.
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