Look at it this way then if an ex pro ref says it wasnt a red and the SHELS coach said it wasnt a red, i wud tend to agree more with them because they prob know the game a lot more than us, I am not disputing it was a foul or max yellow card but the fact that there was two covering defenders means that there was cover there. Wot if it had been a defender who committed the foul but there was cover, wud u say it was a red? It happened in the prem a few years ago when the keeper came out but there was cover so the ref booked him, which was the right decision.
but the rules are open to interpretation. A goal scoring opportunity is denied if a foul is committed to prevent the attacker from carrying on to get a shot on goal. Any shot on goal is an obvious goalscoring opportunity.Originally Posted by City till I Die
If a defender fouls an attacker who would have been clean through on goal, with only the keeper to beat, is that an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity?
I'll leave it at that now, i got my rant out, lets just go now and win the title and show nothing can stop us, not even rubbish refereeing
Look - I've been refereeing full-time for the past 10 years and went to a pretty high level in England - I know Law pretty much inside out.
What btid and myself said concerning this holds true (concerning defenders covering and the definition of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity) - your interpretation - and that of the ex-pro LOI Ref (on another point - we have NEVER had Professional refs in this Association - purely down to the fact the FAI cannot afford to place them on Professional Contracts as they do with the PGMOL in England) are very flaky - and dare I say - incorrect...
This thread initially started out as a moan/rant/hatchet job on Match Officials from a certain city from a fan of a certain club.
It decended into libellous and defamatory comments quite quickly (most of which has been stripped out) - from which it never really recovered.
I was at the Branch Meeting of the Irish Soccer Referees Society last week - at which we had a presentation on the future structure of refereeing in this country (which is undergoing an overhaul)
We need to recruit an extra 1,000 or so referees over the next few seasons - maybe some of you who have been in here moaning and ranting about the standard can contact the FAI, get yourselves onto a refereeing course - and get out there doing games to help us out?
Somehow I doubt any of you will take me up on this offer...
Last edited by Réiteoir; 25/09/2006 at 5:21 PM.
Kom Igen, FCK...
Good news. Hopefully the government will plough more money into the refs association and get the refs currently their trained to a higher standard. Were can u get the rulebook for football online?? Nothing to do with this threadLook - I've been refereeing full-time for the past 10 years and went to a pretty high level in England - I know Law pretty much inside out.
What btid and myself said concerning this holds true (concerning defenders covering and the definition of an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity) - your interpretation - and that of the ex-pro LOI Ref (on another point - we have NEVER had Professional refs in this Association - purely down to the fact the FAI cannot afford to place them on Professional Contracts as they do with the PGMOL in England) are very flaky - and dare I say - incorrect...
This thread initially started out as a moan/rant/hatchet job on Match Officials from a certain city from a fan of a certain club.
It decended into libellous and defamatory comments quite quickly (most of which has been stripped out) - from which it never really recovered.
I was at the Branch Meeting of the Irish Soccer Referees Society last week - at which we had a presentation on the future structure of refereeing in this country (which is undergoing an overhaul)
We need to recruit an extra 1,000 or so referees over the next few seasons - maybe some of you who have been in here moaning and ranting about the standard can contact the FAI, get yourselves onto a refereeing course - and get out there doing games to help us out?
Somehow I doubt any of you will take me up on this offer...
Dahamsta, any chance of one of these:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/archi...p/t-69261.html
Pweese?
You can't spell failure without FAI
All the above is great and you obviously know the rules, but you also have a clear agenda in defending your fellow referees actions.
Your interpretation of the Derry sendings off you state as being correct, however I have seen many referees in this League and elsewhere interpret them differently.
Leave aside the Derry examples for a minute, the past few seasons, particularly this season, has, through the increased in televised games, reinforced what most EL fans already knew, namely that the standard of officiating is routinely absymal, with shockingly bad decisions being dished out on a disturbingly regular basis. Experience in European competitions reinforce this with the referees being uniformly more consistent and accurate in their application of the law.
FACT, as you Bohez fans like to say.
Regarding a Dublin bias or any sort of bias, the more incorrect or dubious calls a referree makes, the more this is going to raise its head. Taking simple steps like ensuring the referee is geographically neutral (as almost every other national association does) is a no-brainer.
If its more money thats needed to make referees more professional and therefore more accurate in their decision-making, then so be it. But they HAVE to improve to keep pace with the improvement in the standard of the League.
Is this thread still going?
The Model Club
Tell all the Bohs you know
that we've gone and won two-in-a-row
and it's not gonna be three
and it's not gonna be four
it's more likely to be 5-1.
It won't stop until we get our membership accreditation for the Ridden Rock Solid by Dublin ClubIs this thread still going?
I thought it was Dublin refs, not Dublin clubs...
*pushes the argument round the circle one more time*
The Model Club
Tell all the Bohs you know
that we've gone and won two-in-a-row
and it's not gonna be three
and it's not gonna be four
it's more likely to be 5-1.
You could be right.
I take it all back, having seen the video footage of the foul by Jennings, I have to admit to being totally wrong. How dare a referee send off a Derry keeper for coming out of his area and deliberately fouling a Shels player and stopping him from having an opportunity to score
Réiteoir fair play to you for being a ref. Definitely a very tough job.
However surely you must see that the standard of refereeing here has gone downhill this season at an alarming rate. I wont bore you with what I've seen in the first division.
IMO what annoys players, managers and fans is the complete lack of communication from the officials. When a player asks about a decision he is booked. When a ref makes a mistake he never apologises or accepts responsibility (an Irish trait).
If officials came out in the media and said "Listen I made a mistake on the third goal and I hope I can learn from this." It would close the door on the incident.
But instead you have silence which leads to a grudge when the ref next does a game. Then you have to listen to tripe like Dublin bias etc.
Lack of communication leads to mistrust. However I am delighted to hear there is finally some accountability. After the farcical scenes in Bray Alan Kelly was suspended for a month. This is a forward step. But is it fair that his father is an assessor?
Officials are not helping themselves.
KOH
Watching Kennys TG4 interview on eL weekly & he always reminds me of Kevin Keegan. I half expected him to say "i'll love it when we beat them..."
I think he only got demoted for a month to lino.
Wasn't he lino at Cork vs. Bohs recently.
tbh - NYHoop - there are incidents like this in every national association - i could bore you with multiple tales of lunacy and such from my time watching games in England.
Plus the Alan Kelly thing isn't a unique thing - the manager/appointments officer of the National Group of Referees in England (the Football League referees) is the Father in Law of a Football League referee.
Up until two seasons ago referees in England were forbidden from speaking to any form of the media at all - this changed only at the top level with the introduction of the PGMOB - which is the body consisting of the Select Group of Premiership referees - we still cannot speak to anybody at local or Conference level.
I expect that with the changes coming about in the next few years that you will see a noticable change in how things are done at all levels of the game.
Kom Igen, FCK...
I'll also add that I've been back in the country for just under a month - but I'm itching to get out there and start refereeing locally
Kom Igen, FCK...
most of what you say is very true reitoir and fair play to you for saying it
hers two things i would like to see more of,
punish players who make a song and dance after refs make a dicision. (its done get on with it). Players who run towards a ref shold keep on running to the bench.
Refs match report must be honest I dont mind him making a mistake but when he compounds it by writing a misleading report to justify his dicisions that is wrong.
the refs assessor must be independant and he must not go into the refs room after the match his report should go directly to the FAI without consoltation with the refs.
I wish i did not know then what I dont know now
Oh I'm sure there are incidents like this at every level in every league. Thing is it grates when you see these refs from here getting CL or international games.tbh - NYHoop - there are incidents like this in every national association - i could bore you with multiple tales of lunacy and such from my time watching games in England.
Plus the Alan Kelly thing isn't a unique thing - the manager/appointments officer of the National Group of Referees in England (the Football League referees) is the Father in Law of a Football League referee.
Up until two seasons ago referees in England were forbidden from speaking to any form of the media at all - this changed only at the top level with the introduction of the PGMOB - which is the body consisting of the Select Group of Premiership referees - we still cannot speak to anybody at local or Conference level.
I expect that with the changes coming about in the next few years that you will see a noticable change in how things are done at all levels of the game.
Re changes believe it when I see it.
Do you have a link anywhere for the rules of the game?
KOH
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