Official Seedings Thread

**eirebhoy** · 18/04/2007, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by cavan_fan

Apologies if thsi has been answered before. This list is based on the assumption there will be 7 groups for the next qualifying campaing. IS there any official word on this. (I assume Europe have 13 auto qualifiers next time and no hosts).

They haven't announced the qualifying process yet so the letters are just there as a guide really. I actually think Italy will be top seeds if they qualify. Montenegro will also be in the qualifying so it's 53 teams.

I'd say it might be 5 groups of 7 and 3 groups of 6.

8 group winners qualify. 2 best 2nd placed teams and 3 from the playoffs.

The last WC qualifers had 3 groups of 7 and 5 groups of 6 and the rest same as above.

**SuperDave** · 20/04/2007, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

They haven't announced the qualifying process yet so the letters are just there as a guide really. I actually think Italy will be top seeds if they qualify. Montenegro will also be in the qualifying so it's 53 teams.

I'd say it might be 5 groups of 7 and 3 groups of 6.

8 group winners qualify. 2 best 2nd placed teams and 3 from the playoffs.

The last WC qualifers had 3 groups of 7 and 5 groups of 6 and the rest same as above.

the last wc had the eight groups thing and i can't see a change. europe had 14 qualifiers (although germany as hosts obviously) last time round but if only 13 this time the 8 group system is what it will be. unless of course they want to continue with 7 groups for the sake of continuity, with worst two runners up in a playoff and the rest qualifying although i think that would be hideously unfair. there will though be 7 groups for euro 2012 as well now it has joint hosts.

**eirebhoy** · 13/06/2007, 7:56 PM

Latest.

Code:

			World Cup 2006		Euro 2008		
		Team	Played	Points	Played	Points	Avg Points
1	A	Germany			7	19	2.714
2	A	Holland	12	32	6	14	2.556
3	A	Sweden	10	24	7	18	2.471
4	A	Croatia	10	24	7	17	2.418
5	A	Portugl	12	30	7	14	2.316
6	A	England	10	25	7	14	2.294
7	A	Italy	10	23	7	16	2.294
8	B	Poland	10	24	9	19	2.263
9	B	France	10	20	7	18	2.235
10	B	Romania	12	25	7	17	2.211
11	B	Czech	12	27	7	14	2.158
12	B	Serbia	10	22	7	14	2.118
13	B	Spain	10	20	7	15	2.059
14	B	Ukraine	12	25	6	12	2.056
15	C	Turkey	12	23	6	13	2.000
16	C	Russia	12	23	7	15	2.000
17	C	Greece	12	21	6	15	2.000
18	C	Israel	10	18	8	17	1.944
19	C	Norway	10	18	7	13	1.824
20	C	Switz.	10	18			1.800
21	C	Denmark	12	22	6	10	1.778
22	D	Ireland	10	17	7	13	1.765
23	D	Bulgar.	10	15	7	15	1.765
24	D	Bosnia	10	16	7	13	1.706
25	D	Slovak.	12	23	7	9	1.684
26	D	Scotlnd	10	13	7	15	1.647
27	D	Finland	12	16	8	14	1.500
28	D	Austria	10	15			1.500
29	E	N.Irel	10	9	6	13	1.375
30	E	Hungary	10	14	7	6	1.176
31	E	Albania	12	13	7	9	1.158
32	E	Belgium	10	12	8	7	1.056
33	E	Belarus	10	10	7	7	1.000
34	E	Latvia	12	15	6	3	1.000
35	E	Lithua.	10	10	7	7	1.000
36	F	Sloven.	10	12	7	4	0.941
37	F	Wales	10	8	6	7	0.938
38	F	Estonia	12	17	7	0	0.895
39	F	Maced.	12	9	7	7	0.842
40	F	Georgia	12	10	8	6	0.800
41	F	Armenia	12	7	7	7	0.737
42	F	Liecht.	12	8	7	4	0.632
43		Cyprus	10	4	6	4	0.500
44		Iceland	10	4	7	4	0.471
45		Azerb.	10	3	8	5	0.444
46		Moldova	10	5	6	2	0.438
47		Malta	10	3	7	4	0.412
48		Kazakh.	12	1	8	6	0.350
49		Andorra	12	5	7	0	0.263
50		Faroes	10	1	8	0	0.056
51		Luxem.	12	0	7	0	0
52		San M.	10	0	6	0	0

**tetsujin1979** · 13/06/2007, 8:19 PM

Cheers eirebhoy, much appreciated
realistically, why kind of results are we looking at to move into Pool C?

**eirebhoy** · 13/06/2007, 8:59 PM

22 points would leave us at a similar seeding. 23 points should move us up a couple of places.

**Bungle** · 14/06/2007, 8:41 AM

jesus it's so tight.A little bit worried about how the Bulgarians are creeping up behind us. I think there is a big possibility that the cut off point is about 1.8 which is where the Swiss are.

If we get about 8-9 points we should be alright. 11-12 points (not likely I know) and we might just creep into second seeds.

It's crazy how low the Belgians have gone. I never thought I'd see the day when they would be 5th seeds.

**eirebhoy** · 24/06/2007, 3:54 PM

Updated now that we know the qualifying format for 2010.

Code:

			World Cup 2006		Euro 2008		
		Team	Played	Points	Played	Points	Avg Points
1	A	Germany			7	19	2.714
2	A	Holland	12	32	6	14	2.556
3	A	Sweden	10	24	7	18	2.471
4	A	Croatia	10	24	7	17	2.418
5	A	Portugl	12	30	7	14	2.316
6	A	England	10	25	7	14	2.294
7	A	Italy	10	23	7	16	2.294
8	A	Poland	10	24	9	19	2.263
9	A	France	10	20	7	18	2.235
10	B	Romania	12	25	7	17	2.211
11	B	Czech	12	27	7	14	2.158
12	B	Serbia	10	22	7	14	2.118
13	B	Spain	10	20	7	15	2.059
14	B	Ukraine	12	25	6	12	2.056
15	B	Turkey	12	23	6	13	2.000
16	B	Russia	12	23	7	15	2.000
17	B	Greece	12	21	6	15	2.000
18	B	Israel	10	18	8	17	1.944
19	C	Norway	10	18	7	13	1.824
20	C	Switz.	10	18			1.800
21	C	Denmark	12	22	6	10	1.778
22	C	Ireland	10	17	7	13	1.765
23	C	Bulgar.	10	15	7	15	1.765
24	C	Bosnia	10	16	7	13	1.706
25	C	Slovak.	12	23	7	9	1.684
26	C	Scotlnd	10	13	7	15	1.647
27	C	Finland	12	16	8	14	1.500
28	D	Austria	10	15			1.500
29	D	N.Irel	10	9	6	13	1.375
30	D	Hungary	10	14	7	6	1.176
31	D	Albania	12	13	7	9	1.158
32	D	Belgium	10	12	8	7	1.056
33	D	Belarus	10	10	7	7	1.000
34	D	Latvia	12	15	6	3	1.000
35	D	Lithua.	10	10	7	7	1.000
36	D	Sloven.	10	12	7	4	0.941
37	E	Wales	10	8	6	7	0.938
38	E	Estonia	12	17	7	0	0.895
39	E	Maced.	12	9	7	7	0.842
40	E	Georgia	12	10	8	6	0.800
41	E	Armenia	12	7	7	7	0.737
42	E	Liecht.	12	8	7	4	0.632
43	E       Cyprus	10	4	6	4	0.500
44	E	Iceland	10	4	7	4	0.471
45	E	Azerb.	10	3	8	5	0.444
46	F	Moldova	10	5	6	2	0.438
47	F	Malta	10	3	7	4	0.412
48	F	Kazakh.	12	1	8	6	0.350
49	F	Andorra	12	5	7	0	0.263
50	F	Faroes	10	1	8	0	0.056
51	F	Luxem.	12	0	7	0	0
52	F	San M.	10	0	6	0	0
53      F       Montenegro ---

**cavan_fan** · 24/06/2007, 5:25 PM

Hard to see us catching Israel though I guess we can at least take comfort we're likely to be 3rd. A bit stranded to be honest

**eirebhoy** · 24/06/2007, 5:49 PM

We're pretty much certain to be in Pot 3.

**Bungle** · 24/06/2007, 5:50 PM

if we were third seeds the ideal group in a six team group would be

Poland, Isreal, Us, Lithuania, Estonia and Andorra

Personally, I think the smaller groups are better for us, as it reduces the chance of an almighty **** up against a so called minnow, which we are always capable of.

This format more or less guarantees we'll be third seeds, so overall I couldn't really complain about it.

**eirebhoy** · 24/06/2007, 9:25 PM

Give me Greece over Israel any day. Israel will only get better and better imo.

**tetsujin1979** · 24/06/2007, 9:54 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Give me Greece over Israel any day. Israel will only get better and better imo.

Next season they'll have Benayoun at Liverpool (possibly), Tal Ben Haim and Ben Sahar coming through at Chelsea, in comparison we'll have Finnan at Liverpool, O'Shea at United, and possibly Gibson getting some first team experience.
They ran England close at home and I reckon they'll give McClaren's men another fright at Wembley in the autumn

**DmanDmythDledge** · 24/06/2007, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Give me Greece over Israel any day. Israel will only get better and better imo.

True. They've only lost 1 match over the last two qualifying campaigns as well.

**pineapple stu** · 24/06/2007, 11:28 PM

Are Ukraine still relying on Rebrov and Shevchenko up front? Will they still be a force in 18 months? And have they anyone coming through? They could be the best of the second seeds to get.

Poland are having a superb qualifying campaign at present; I'd take England from the top section because I think they're the weakest team and we should be up for the game.

D, E and F - much of a muchness, by and large. Maybe Latvia, Estonia and Andorra from a travel point of view. Though somewhere like Georgia, Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan could be fun.

Five matches left in the current campaign and I'm already looking ahead to 2010...

**shakermaker1982** · 25/06/2007, 7:35 AM

at least we won't end up with the Swiss!!!!!

**gspain** · 25/06/2007, 8:18 AM

We will still need some points to make sure of a 3rd seed. 4-5 should be enough but it is not totally a done deal. Remember a lot of the teams around us have to play the minnows still. Slovakia and Bulgaria are almost certain to finish ahead of us.

We need 4 points to stay ahead of Austria.

If Northern ireland take 12 points from their last 6 games - wins over Liechtenstein, Latvia, Iceland and Denmark - defeats to Spain and Sweden then we need 5 points to finish ahead of them.

In reality 5 points is the target. It's not a huge one but not guaranteed given our earlier performances even with a world class manager.

**Bungle** · 25/06/2007, 9:13 AM

Completely agree about the Slovaks still being a potential nuiscance. That was why it was so important that they were beaten by the Germans. I think if we draw in Bratislava, we will finish ahead of them though.

To be honest, in my opinion there is much of a muchness between many of the second and third seed teams with the exception of Spain.

**shakermaker1982** · 25/06/2007, 11:31 AM

with my optimist hat on I can see us getting another 8 points. The pessimistic one sees us adding only 4/5 points.

My ideal group?

ING GER LAND
Russia
Albania
Iceland - good away trip
Andorra

Montenegro as bottom seeds could be a pain.

**zenokelly** · 25/06/2007, 1:13 PM

Ideal group:

1: Poland
2: Greece
3: us
4: Lithuania
5: Liechenstein
6: Andorra

Group of HORROR
1: Italy
2: Spain
3: us
4: Austria
5: Cyprus
6: San Marino