QuoteEven after last nights shambles, we are still in Pot C for the World Cup draw.
I believe we will finish third in the group with at leaset a point from cardiff, which is all we can hope for. That's as good as we are
Guys what is the story with the seedings now ? where will we be in the WC qualifiers ? do we need to beat wales or are we safely in whatever particular pot ??
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
Even after last nights shambles, we are still in Pot C for the World Cup draw.
I believe we will finish third in the group with at leaset a point from cardiff, which is all we can hope for. That's as good as we are
Never eat yellow snow!!
It's all to do with the FIFA rankings now so we'll have to wait and see.
The FIFA rankings computer is blowing a fuse as we speak.
Ireland is as good as Germany.
Ireland is as bad as Cyprus.
Irreconcilable circular argument.
Bang, loud explosion.
Sepp steps in and says it's better for Ireland to be a 3rd seed anyway and so that's what happens.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 18/10/2007 at 10:41 AM.
so pot C it is , has anyone got the rankings or worked out the system ?
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
ok looks like we wont know until just before the draw
seedings
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
If somebody knows then can you please post the rankings points. Frankly it is still speculation at this stage. The rankings are very volatile now as they are based on just 4 years and all our previous October results get a reduced weighting.
It is not known yet whether November's results will be even included. The current rankings in place at the time of the draw will not include November's results but there may be a decision to calculate again based on these.
It is still likely we'll be 3rd seeds.
Under the old system we'd still need a point from wales to be guaranteed 3td seeds and would most likely have missed out on a defeat.
Note we have also moved down the European rankings from this campaign. we have only moved up the seedings because there are 9 group for WC2010 and 7 for Euro2008
If we beat Wales we might finish 3rd. MIGHT being the magic word! Slovakia have 2 games left one of them against San Marino and the other against the Czechs, normally I would say that they would only get 3pts out of this but, with their Czech cousins already qualified they could win! especially if the Czechs put out a reserve team. Slovakia have far superior GD to us so even with 3pts against Wales we might miss out on 3rd spot. Even worse, Cyprus could also overtake us if by chance they were to take full pts from their last 2 games agaist the two qualified teams!!! Failure by us to win in Wales and 1 win from either one of their matches would see us finish 5th behind both of the above or worse again if we got stuffed 4-0 by Wales, we'd be 6th. That my friends is the costly legacy of last nights shambles and even though it's a worst case scenario it is a distinct possibility. Would Delaney still call that progress?
If we tied with Slovakia wouldn't we be ahead having got 4 pts from them?
Goal difference does not make a difference as we beat them and drew with them so our head to head is better.
In Trap we trust
A 2 goal win for Wales would put them ahead of us on the head to head.Originally Posted by WembleyGreen
our final position does not affect our seeding. Our world ranking does.
1 Italy 1488 2 58
2 Argentina 1451 0 -40
3 Brazil 1444 -2 -64
4 Germany 1330 1 -7
5 Netherlands 1246 2 35
6 France 1220 -2 -160
7 Spain 1178 1 13
8 Portugal 1169 2 12
9 England 1165 3 74
10 Croatia 1151 -4 -72
11 Czech Republic 1082 -2 -76
12 Romania 1037 1 -53
13 Mexico 1026 -2 -73
14 Scotland 1025 9 112
15 Greece 940 -1 -94
16 Poland 926 4 -15
17 Ukraine 900 -2 -102
18 USA 897 -1 -88
19 Uruguay 889 2 -34
20 Sweden 888 -1 -62
21 Turkey 883 1 -32
22 Serbia 877 -4 -88
23 Nigeria 867 3 -37
24 Colombia 862 7 19
25 Cameroon 856 -9 -145
26 Russia 851 -2 -58
27 Côte d'Ivoire 806 1 -57
28 Denmark 794 2 -56
29 Norway 763 6 -5
30 Guinea 752 12 49
31 Paraguay 750 0 -93
32 Republic of Ireland 733 5 -4
33 Israel 732 0 -80
34 Japan 731 7 7
35 Bulgaria 727 -6 -129
36 Northern Ireland 707 -9 -179
37 Tunisia 692 -1 -47
38 Morocco 688 -4 -103
39 Bosnia-Herzegovina 686 -14 -219
40 Iran 685 4 -7
40 Senegal 685 6 26
42 Switzerland 683 3 15
43 Egypt 679 -3 -47
44 Finland 678 -6 -54
45 Ghana 671 -2 -22
46 Slovakia 663 -7 -65
47 Chile 624 0 -28
48 Australia 620 1 -7
49 Mali 613 -1 -21
50 Korea Republic
51 Saudi Arabia 579 0 -1
52 Peru 563 2 11
53 Wales 551 21 123
54 Canada 547 -1 -18
55 Hungary 544 10 80
56 Costa Rica 534 -4 -39
57 Ecuador 527 -2 -18
58 Venezuela 521 -2 -19
59 Honduras 516 -2 -1
60 Belgium 509 9 71
61 Zambia 504 1 24
62 Uzbekistan 491 -4 -17
63 Togo 483 -3 -19
64 Trinidad and Tobago 477 -1 2
65 Iraq 475 -1 1
66 Panama 470 5 35
67 FYR Macedonia 455 0 -1
68 Cyprus 452 14 57
69 Angola 446 -10 -61
70 Belarus 445 -1 7
71 Cuba 442 20 77
72 Equatorial Guinea 440 33 125
73 South Africa 437 -12 -51
74 Mozambique 432 12 56
75 Slovenia 429 19 72
76 Cape Verde Islands 426 -4 -8
77 Congo DR 421 -2 -2
78 Albania 420 -12 -42
79 Oman 416 -3 -2
80 Iceland 414 37 165
81 Moldova 413 25 121
82 Benin 410 -3 10
83 Haiti 407 5 36
84 Lithuania 398 -6 -3
85 Austria 395 -1 12
85 Algeria 395 -12 -38
87 Armenia 393 -6 -3
88 Guatemala 387 -8 -10
89 China PR 383 -4 5
90 Bolivia 376 -22 -72
91 Qatar 374 -8 -15
92 Libya 373 -5 1
93 Zimbabwe 369 8 42
94 Latvia 364 16 90
95 Botswana 363 1 16
96 Jamaica 361 -1 11
97 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 358 7 42
98 Bahrain 354 -6 -8
99 Jordan 348 0 11
100 Uganda
Right to be third seeds, we'll have to be in the top 27 in Europe according to the FIFA rankings (this is from September I believe:don't know if it was before the double header). According to this, we're 18th of the Eurpean teams at the time this was calculated. We're probably down somewhat but we'll almost certainly be a third seed.
the pity is that we could have made second seeds quite easily as it is based solely on the fifa rankings.
Apologies guys I forgot the head to head. Duh!
that really is a pity as it could make a massive difference
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
Are we not 21st according to that list?
21st by my calculation too
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
yeah we're 21st a
21st in Europe.... no wonder we didn't qualify ......
now that the euros have expanded to 16 teams we should be qualifying every time. the world cup has less places so certainly much trickier. barring the appointment of jose maurinho or someone of his ilk we can forget about a trip to africa to support our team.
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
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