John Giles resignation and Stan

**RogerMilla** · 29/09/2006, 11:13 AM

dont know how it started but it has left me pretty depressed as regards the dearth of talent in the irish midfield

**Billsthoughts** · 29/09/2006, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Anyway, I thought angry Bill could use a bit of a lift given his pending mania, and also a lesson in making a point.

self praise is no praise....

**Billsthoughts** · 29/09/2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Savage you may have a point as I can't say I watch a lot of him or Blackburn but he again is the 2nd highest passer at Blackburn aswell as the highest tackler by far.

Actually, just looking at wiki and your definition would be correct by the book. I just put playmaker and holder all in the one definition. One or the other is required in a team these days. They say Pirlo, Alonso, Essien, Carrick and Xavi are playmakers. I just put them in with the holding midfielders. At the end of the day they all sit in front of the defence, rarely get involved in the other side of the pitch and guarantee the team a lot more possession when they're in the team.

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just wondering...do you actually get any enjoyment out of football apart from the stats??????

**elroy** · 29/09/2006, 11:34 AM

Just on Stephen Ireland, i know he's only get the odd sub appearance at the moment but what i saw of him last year i think the guy is a really good prospect. I think he has the potential to be a real top midfielder in a few years.

**eirebhoy** · 29/09/2006, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

just wondering...do you actually get any enjoyment out of football apart from the stats??????

Have you made one decent post since you registered on foot.ie?

I seem to have to explain everything to you but if a player is going to be sitting in front of the defence in the best position to receive a pass then you'd expect him to have the highest passes per game in the team.

Bill you should stop replying to the poster and just reply to the posts.

**Stuttgart88** · 29/09/2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

self praise is no praise....

i never said it was a good lesson

**Billsthoughts** · 29/09/2006, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Have you made one decent post since you registered on foot.ie?

I seem to have to explain everything to you but if a player is going to be sitting in front of the defence in the best position to receive a pass then you'd expect him to have the highest passes per game in the team.

Bill you should stop replying to the poster and just reply to the posts.

Its a relevant point to make. You seem more interested in stats than actually what you are watching. Like these statistics prove anything. Its football its not an exact science. If it was we would all be rich men. you seem to think you can scientifically prove anything to be true. I dont agree with this. thats not football its trainspotting. This is a very relevant point to make when you come on and dismiss other peoples posts out of hand. Stuttgart you seem to have just backed up everything I said only you feel the need to make smart comments at the end so as not to offend Neil and Eirebores sensibilities.

I made my points clearly.
1)There is no law to say we have to play a holding midfielder.
2)And who I would replace the current central midfield with is irrelevant to me pointing out that they are not up to the job. any other debates that people were tryin to start are their own business.arse all to do with what I was saying.

**eirebhoy** · 29/09/2006, 1:28 PM

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

This is a very relevant point to make when you come on and dismiss other peoples posts out of hand.

Who's points have I dismissed? Since we've been debating this you've yet to actually make a relevant point. As I said in the pm, I asked what team doesn't play a holding midfielder and you replied with the first teams that came into your head. Neil asked who you'd play in the centre of the Irish midfield and you said you'd play there.

Stuttgart is actually having a debate with us. If we make a point he'll challenge it, you just dismiss it without reason.

**NeilMcD** · 29/09/2006, 1:43 PM

Bill who made the statement about Giles and Dunphy and Houghton knowing nothing about the modern game.

**Stuttgart88** · 29/09/2006, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

Stuttgart you seem to have just backed up everything I said only you feel the need to make smart comments at the end so as not to offend Neil and Eirebores sensibilities.

Well, we had actually been agreeing on this issue all along. My recent post wasn't my first comment on this topic.

The "smart comment" was meant to lighten things up a bit, up to you how you take it I suppose. I doubt Neil or eirebhoy would ever take much offence from me anyway so appaesing either of them couldn't have been further from my mind.

**Billsthoughts** · 29/09/2006, 4:04 PM

Stuttgart, my apologies then. I misenterpreted what you were saying. We cant all be as articulate as you but it doesnt mean we have nothing to articulate.

eirebouy I didnt get into an argument with you over the holding midfielders because I wouldnt have felt comfortable in arguing who of any of these players was or wasnt a holding midfielder. But I dont think this takes away from my original point about the fact that it is not written in stone that we should play a holding midfielder or more specifically Lee Carsley. A few silly digs thrown in for good measure but sure we all have our moments. so again apologies.
Neil again I didnt name players as I didnt think it was relevant to stating that two present incumbrents werent up to the role. whether the guys you replace them with are up to the job or not time will tell. But the guys there at the moment I think have had their chance to impress and havent.
Hope all three of you have a lovely weekend

**Stuttgart88** · 30/09/2006, 8:33 AM

Good man Bill. In among the anger & digs there's sense in what you say(sometimes!), and for the record, I thought the ''debating stats'' retort was quite funny.

Let's hope the Irish players find form this w/e.