Irish Times: Credit where due

**el punter** · 27/08/2006, 6:09 AM

We do plenty of media bashing here, so no harm in a little 'My Name Is Earl' type balancing of karma.

Saturday's Irish Times (which I've just finished reading at 7.05am on Sunday - yes I'm a slow reader) featured MORE eircom league coverage than Premiership. There was two very decent match reports on Rvs v Bohs and Waterford v Longford, a bit of chat about the Derry in Europe, and a preview of the remaining FAI Cup ties.

Thank you D'Olier Street, more of it.

**gspain** · 27/08/2006, 8:20 AM

Originally Posted by el punter

We do plenty of media bashing here, so no harm in a little 'My Name Is Earl' type balancing of karma.

Saturday's Irish Times (which I've just finished reading at 7.05am on Sunday - yes I'm a slow reader) featured MORE eircom league coverage than Premiership. There was two very decent match reports on Rvs v Bohs and Waterford v Longford, a bit of chat about the Derry in Europe, and a preview of the remaining FAI Cup ties.

Thank you D'Olier Street, more of it.

Ironic or what

I actually made a conscious decision to not buy the Irish times on saturday and bought a rival paper as I was sick of their lack of domestic football coverage. Their small reports on Drogheda and Derry on Friday's paper were the last straw.

**A face** · 27/08/2006, 9:41 AM

Sorry now but they have alot of ground to make up .... one swallow does make a summer, or what ever that phrase is.

I want to know why they were so anti-domestic league for so long, hindering the development of it. IMO they have alot to answer for, they printed some story in the past that clearly were not 'reporting the news' .... they were poorly researched, fabricated lies which sought only to tarnish the name of the league/clubs/players. Bare-faced lying which only had contempt for the league and the unknowing reader aswell.

**el punter** · 27/08/2006, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by A face

Sorry now but they have alot of ground to make up .... one swallow does make a summer, or what ever that phrase is.

I want to know why they were so anti-domestic league for so long, hindering the development of it. IMO they have alot to answer for, they printed some story in the past that clearly were not 'reporting the news' .... they were poorly researched, fabricated lies which sought only to tarnish the name of the league/clubs/players. Bare-faced lying which only had contempt for the league and the unknowing reader aswell.

I was wondering how long it would take you to post that Captain Grudge Bearer

**A face** · 27/08/2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by el punter

I was wondering how long it would take you to post that Captain Grudge Bearer

So am i wrong ??

**el punter** · 27/08/2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by A face

So am i wrong ??

Certainly not, but encouragement of new behaviours rather than repeated berating for past sins is perhaps a more positive way to react. But each to their own I suppose.

Indeed one swallow may not make a summer, but we must make hay while the sun shines.

Red&White · 27/08/2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by el punter

Certainly not, but encouragement of new behaviours rather than repeated berating for past sins is perhaps a more positive way to react. But each to their own I suppose.

Indeed one swallow may not make a summer, but we must make hay while the sun shines.

Now, now, it's a game of two halves.

**A face** · 27/08/2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by el punter

Certainly not, but encouragement of new behaviours rather than repeated berating for past sins is perhaps a more positive way to react. But each to their own I suppose.

I felt the exact same .... about ten years ago. But that ten years of constant repeated, never ending monotonous, unfounded, unjustified, illogical vilifying domestic league bashing has changed my thinking slightly.

I know I know, we should turn the other cheek, and if we are slapped again, we should just turn back to the other cheek �� but when there are 17 people dead I think we should draw the line and say enough of the slapping.

Indeed one swallow may not make a summer, but we must make hay while the sun shines.

If at first you dont succeed, keeping writing b�llsh�t for years on end to brainwash people to achieve something that got lost about ten years back and actually achieve nothing by the whole exercise.

**el punter** · 27/08/2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by A face

I felt the exact same .... about ten years ago. But that ten years of constant repeated, never ending monotonous, unfounded, unjustified, illogical vilifying domestic league bashing has changed my thinking slightly.

I know I know, we should turn the other cheek, and if we are slapped again, we should just turn back to the other cheek …… but when there are 17 people dead I think we should draw the line and say enough of the slapping.

If at first you dont succeed, keeping writing b�llsh�t for years on end to brainwash people to achieve something that got lost about ten years back and actually achieve nothing by the whole exercise.

Sounds like it's time to pass the baton to the next generation of foolhardy believers.

Perhaps the bigger media is starting to take notice of the interest on foot.ie, walkthechalk, and Gareth's herculean efforts....then again perhaps not.

But regardless, we will fight the good fight as you did for a decade or more and then we shall pass the baton once more as we become battleworn, cynical and weary.

Passing and passing the baton from generation to generation until the game is won and the Premiership is nought but boxscores amidst the 28 page colour League of Ireland supplement in Monday's papers

**A face** · 27/08/2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by el punter

Sounds like it's time to pass the baton to the next generation of foolhardy believers.

Perhaps the bigger media is starting to take notice of the interest on foot.ie, walkthechalk, and Gareth's herculean efforts....then again perhaps not.

But regardless, we will fight the good fight as you did for a decade or more and then we shall pass the baton once more as we become battleworn, cynical and weary.

What you talkin' about Willis ??

I aint passing no baton

Passing and passing the baton from generation to generation until the game is won and the Premiership is nought but boxscores amidst the 28 page colour League of Ireland supplement in Monday's papers

Oh the joy, it seems like a magical mythical place. Its like when Moses parted the Red sea, and thousands of national league fans were sprinting to the other side ..... and all in slow motion, with angels singing and stuff. I knew i had one pint too many last night

**pete** · 27/08/2006, 3:06 PM

Maybe i am biased towards the Irish Times but Emmet malone is the football journalist in Ireland. I think he weekly column is fair on the eL as takes the good with the bad. Excellent article by him on the Staunton situation last week too.

**gspain** · 27/08/2006, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Maybe i am biased towards the Irish Times but Emmet malone is the football journalist in Ireland. I think he weekly column is fair on the eL as takes the good with the bad. Excellent article by him on the Staunton situation last week too.

No disputing that but he appears to get less and less space.

**pete** · 27/08/2006, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

No disputing that but he appears to get less and less space.

Maybe quality not quantity. I cringe everything i read McDermotts "articles" in the Indo.

**Poor Student** · 27/08/2006, 8:02 PM

Just scanned all the tabloids at work today. There was one small article maximum in a couple of papers about Derry v Shels, well away from the heavy glossy huge EPL coverage and the All-Ireland coverage. EL coverage in the weekend media tends to peak in the summer when there's no big GAA games that weekend. Otherwise it's buried deep beneath the EPL barring the odd expose on Shels' dire finances.

**seand** · 28/08/2006, 7:44 AM

The Indo have just signed up Daniel McDonnell which is a very good thing.... he'll have a tough job to make up for McDermott's shortcomings though.

**Ozymandias** · 28/08/2006, 10:41 AM

some of the best articles on the EL have been written by emmett Malone..he is a decent journalist but i do take the point that he does not get the space he deserves for domestic soccer...when he writes on the EL it is well researched and informative...he must have a decent interest in it himself

**Kingdom** · 28/08/2006, 4:01 PM

This site is more therapeutic than any shrink. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Emmet Malone is a decent journalist. I would go so far as to say that he is the best sports journalist on this island, Keith duggan is the only one who comes close.

I've gotten p*ssed off with Tom Humphries and as for Gerry McDermott. Oh dear God. Do away with him!

**Poor Student** · 28/08/2006, 8:42 PM

Originally Posted by seand

The Indo have just signed up Daniel McDonnell which is a very good thing

Who is he?

**OneRedArmy** · 28/08/2006, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

This site is more therapeutic than any shrink. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Emmet Malone is a decent journalist. I would go so far as to say that he is the best sports journalist on this island, Keith duggan is the only one who comes close.

I've gotten p*ssed off with Tom Humphries and as for Gerry McDermott. Oh dear God. Do away with him!

Humphries columns used to be great but he appears to have disappeared up his own posterior in the last 12-18 months (no mean feat for a big guy). The number of articles he has written bemoaning his chosen occupation and how wrong us civilians are to think its a great life is yawn inducing.

Duggan is now the only must read for me. His piece on Munster rugby fans before the Heineken Cup semi is the best piece of sports journalism I've read in years.

Malone good, well researched, but lacks any real depth and empathy for me.

McDermott wouldn't pass his Junior Cert with the drivel he produces.

**Lim till i die** · 28/08/2006, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Duggan is now the only must read for me. His piece on Munster rugby fans before the Heineken Cup semi is the best piece of sports journalism I've read in years.

Was that the tongue in cheek bit about their "commitment"? If so it was superb