Clare League 2006/07

**BallBreaker** · 15/09/2006, 6:21 PM

Originally Posted by smellyfeet

I remember Carl Oneill, he was in charge for one of our games, u12's i think.
The ball went in tru a hole in the net and he gave the goal, the other teams manager even agreed that it should have been a goal kick but he wouldn't change his mind.

I think he said something like"fix your nets and you won't have this problem" in other words he gave the goal because there was a hole in the net.

**old git** · 15/09/2006, 6:24 PM

Originally Posted by reds exile

was it Noel Coughlan

thats the man .. was driving me nuts all afternoon not being able to remember his name ... christ how did i ever forget him ..

**BallBreaker** · 15/09/2006, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by papa-j

Yah, I remember them all...just goes to prove that there is not any sudden crisis in the standard of refs...they were always brutal

But seriously fair play to them because without them we dont have a game to play. Clubs definately need to take the lead on this and punish players/managers for abusing officials by fining/banning them. If a player abused his manager or a comittee member etc they would be fcuked out so it should be the same punishment for abusing the match officials. That said I probably be banned myself

I would like to hear Shels thought on this.

**reds exile** · 15/09/2006, 8:46 PM

Originally Posted by old git

thats the man .. was driving me nuts all afternoon not being able to remember his name ... christ how did i ever forget him ..

Well D'ont think many of us older guys will forget him, think I am right in saying that Paddy,Noel and Carl officated a cup final back in the 80's can't remember who was playing think it was newmarket and avenue, best refereed Final I have seen

**Interested** · 15/09/2006, 9:33 PM

Originally Posted by myleftfoot

Refs in Clare get far too much verbal abuse from players and managers. Hardly surprising then that there is a shortage of refs. In fairness some of them do bring it on themselves with some crazy and inconsistent decisions. Speaking to others involved in other junior leagues the refs there dont tolerate as much verbal abuse especially from players. Im sure if you asked the refs there are certain clubs and individual characters who are worse than most.
As for the money - Im sure that clubs wouldnt mind paying more if they got consistently good referees every sunday. Its the lower leagues and underage teams that will suffer. The best (of whats left) will be assigned premier games. After that absoulutely anyone with a whistle, thick glasses and a god complex will be allowed ref the other games!

This is just a thought that might cause some debate. What if teams were deducted points rather than fined for abuse to Referees on a constant level?,
Mind you at the rate it seems to be going on minus points could still win you a title

As far as I can gather there are 12 Referees left to cover all the Junior and Schoolboy games, its definately becoming a crisis.

**myleftfoot** · 16/09/2006, 9:06 AM

Good suggestion - clubs would certainly think twice about abusing refs then.
Bit of a vicious circle really - as long as standard of refereeing is bad and inconsistent then they are more likely to get abuse from players and managers. The abuse then makes them even worse..and so on...

Refs need to improve and clubs need to stop abusing them.

By the way does anyone know how often Clare referees performances are assessed and what happens if they dont come up to standard. Has a referee ever been sacked for bad performances?

**Interested** · 16/09/2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by myleftfoot

Good suggestion - clubs would certainly think twice about abusing refs then.
Bit of a vicious circle really - as long as standard of refereeing is bad and inconsistent then they are more likely to get abuse from players and managers. The abuse then makes them even worse..and so on...

Refs need to improve and clubs need to stop abusing them.

By the way does anyone know how often Clare referees performances are assessed and what happens if they dont come up to standard. Has a referee ever been sacked for bad performances?

I think that they are only assessed at games where there are 3 of them involved i.e. Cup Finals and Semi Finals, not sure though.
Wasn't there a Ref from Limerick who transfered to Clare sent back after only one Season a couple of years ago?

**old git** · 18/09/2006, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by myleftfoot

Good suggestion - clubs would certainly think twice about abusing refs then.
Bit of a vicious circle really - as long as standard of refereeing is bad and inconsistent then they are more likely to get abuse from players and managers. The abuse then makes them even worse..and so on...

Refs need to improve and clubs need to stop abusing them.

By the way does anyone know how often Clare referees performances are assessed and what happens if they dont come up to standard. Has a referee ever been sacked for bad performances?

i know of a couple of times if enough clubs complain about certain referees the league usually then get refs to do 2nd-3rd division games for a couple of weeks .. i am not aware of any ref that has ever been sacked by clare league ..

**shelbourne1904** · 18/09/2006, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by old git

for all you older people remember carl o neill / noel bennett / roger mc mahon . trying to remember another ref from ennis.. was famous for yellow& red cards and even boasted he would try & break his record of red cards for the next season.. ( looked like carl o neill)

Noel Coughlan

**shelbourne1904** · 18/09/2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by BallBreaker

I would like to hear Shels thought on this.

I reckon its like the changing times.There are now certain things that are now considered "politically incorrect" that could have been said years ago without batting an eyelid.If you say them now you can be arrested!!
The same can now be said of referees.People who refereed in the past would have put up with shouting from the sideline disputing decisions but nowadays they wont put up with abuse.We all have to take that on board and tailor our comments accordingly.

I must go back to my earlier comment and based on what Ive seen so far this year it is a falicy that we are playing in a league that has wonderfully skilled fit players,well organised teams great pitches and CRAP referees.That is not the case.I reckon the whole thing is about even so the refs are about the same standard that the games require.If people in the game look at it honestly in this way then they might concentrate on improving the teams more than trying to criticese the refs who as everybody knows,because it is such a hard job,as born out by the highest levels of the game,have an impossible task anyway.

I would love to see the rugby 10 yard rule implented immediately,and it should also be imposed to include sideline decision disputing.

**shelbourne1904** · 18/09/2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Interested

I think that they are only assessed at games where there are 3 of them involved i.e. Cup Finals and Semi Finals, not sure though.
Wasn't there a Ref from Limerick who transfered to Clare sent back after only one Season a couple of years ago?

He wasnt sent back he just decided to go back but I think he is retired now,that might have been Paddy Walsh the other was Derek Olsen who just decided to go back also,not because of abuse, but I suppose the travelling.

**shelbourne1904** · 18/09/2006, 10:19 AM

Any results Newtown 1 Rinneana 0 in the league,also Mountshannon1Lifford 0???

**sanity** · 18/09/2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by shelbourne1904

He wasnt sent back he just decided to go back but I think he is retired now,that might have been Paddy Walsh the other was Derek Olsen who just decided to go back also,not because of abuse, but I suppose the travelling.

paddy walsh refereed an FAI game in limerick yesterday.the poorest display i have ever witnessed,are you sure he was not sent back

he probably should have retired

**shelbourne1904** · 18/09/2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by sanity

paddy walsh refereed an FAI game in limerick yesterday.the poorest display i have ever witnessed,are you sure he was not sent back

he probably should have retired

I cant be certain but I was responsible for getting the 2 of them out here to help with the schoolboys and as far as I know they just went back them selves as there is no process of "sending" a referee "back".

**riverside** · 18/09/2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by shelbourne1904

I cant be certain but I was responsible for getting the 2 of them out here to help with the schoolboys and as far as I know they just went back them selves as there is no process of "sending" a referee "back".

MOD EDIT:riverside Don't make comments again like that here unless you can back them up with evidence.

**shelbourne1904** · 18/09/2006, 3:06 PM

Are you serious??
They would hardly let him out at the weekends to do a few matches????

**First** · 18/09/2006, 3:18 PM

Maybe it could be used as part of his punishment, then again it might quieten a few players,

**Interested** · 18/09/2006, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by shelbourne1904

He wasnt sent back he just decided to go back but I think he is retired now,that might have been Paddy Walsh the other was Derek Olsen who just decided to go back also,not because of abuse, but I suppose the travelling.

MOD EDIT:
Unless its a fact you can't just think out loud here.Accusations like that have to be backed up by evidence (as in where and when).

**Soccer Lover** · 18/09/2006, 9:22 PM

Careful, he could get this site shut down, however much I dislike his refereeing skills, its not fair to slander him (to that degree)

**shelbourne1904** · 19/09/2006, 9:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by shelbourne1904
He wasnt sent back he just decided to go back but I think he is retired now,that might have been Paddy Walsh the other was Derek Olsen who just decided to go back also,not because of abuse, but I suppose the travelling.

MOD EDIT:
Unless its a fact you can't just think out loud here.Accusations like that have to be backed up by evidence (as in where and when).

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There is no accusation or derogatory comment?.They both helped us out when we needed it.For that I was thankful.The point I was making was they went back to Limerick of their own accord.