Another suspension row?

**Patrick Dunne** · 19/08/2006, 12:56 PM

If the 4th official was supplied with the details of players suspended for any given fixture, it would solve this farce, which is turning the EL into a joke.

**Roverstillidie** · 19/08/2006, 12:58 PM

this case seems far more straightforward than the derry or rovers case.

the papers before the game listed him as suspended, people at the game were surprised to see him, oliy was incensced etc.

it was an automatic ban for a straight red and he didnt serve it. no intricicies about 48 hour windows or whether chf got the fax.

sorry bozo's, but in the week that was in it, thats unforgivable sloppyness.

according to gypoweb their admin person is on holidays....

and why is everone blaming the FAI here. its the league that are responsible for suspensions, the group we are getting rid of.

**sligoman** · 19/08/2006, 12:59 PM

I think the game should be awarded to Shels and therefore I win my bet

.

**chippie0001** · 19/08/2006, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

this case seems far more straightforward than the derry or rovers case.

the papers before the game listed him as suspended, people at the game were surprised to see him, oliy was incensced etc.

it was an automatic ban for a straight red and he didnt serve it. no intricicies about 48 hour windows or whether chf got the fax.

sorry bozo's, but in the week that was in it, thats unforgivable sloppyness.

according to gypoweb their admin person is on holidays....

and why is everone blaming the FAI here. its the league that are responsible for suspensions, the group we are getting rid of.

The reason we are blaming the FAI is we rang both on the Wednesday and the Thursday, two seperate Bohs officials and two different FAI people. On both occasions we were told we had no players out.

I agree if this is messed up its our fault, plain and simple, however it does not help when the body that oversees the suspensions tell us we have no players out.

**sfc red** · 19/08/2006, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by chippie0001

I agree if this is messed up its our fault, plain and simple, however it does not help when the body that oversees the suspensions tell us we have no players out.

Eh it is obviously Ollie's fault...

Another point - what about Farrelly?? Sent off against Bray - was he a sub? Should he have been allowed in the dugout?

**pete** · 19/08/2006, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by sfc red

Another point - what about Farrelly?? Sent off against Bray - was he a sub? Should he have been allowed in the dugout?

I do not think there is any automatic suspension for managers. However it looks like a nice loophole as a suspended Manager could just name himself on the players bench. Technically he not supposed to converse with his assistant but impossible to police.

I do not understand why Bohs would ring the eL for update on suspensions. As proven in the Hargan case there has to be a paper trail as cannot prove anything if verbal or electronic.

**bohs til i die** · 19/08/2006, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by sfc red

Eh it is obviously Ollie's fault...

Another point - what about Farrelly?? Sent off against Bray - was he a sub? Should he have been allowed in the dugout?

Farrelly's dismissal as a manager means the league cannot rule on any punishment until they receive the ref's report and discuss it at one of the weekly meetings. Therefore he is clear to play last night

**bohs til i die** · 19/08/2006, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by pete

I do not think there is any automatic suspension for managers. However it looks like a nice loophole as a suspended Manager could just name himself on the players bench. Technically he not supposed to converse with his assistant but impossible to police.

I do not understand why Bohs would ring the eL for update on suspensions. As proven in the Hargan case there has to be a paper trail as cannot prove anything if verbal or electronic.

Im guessing here but with Jayo's red in the week he due to serve a ban the club sought clarification if his ban was to be served against Shels.

**bohs til i die** · 19/08/2006, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

according to gypoweb their admin person is on holidays....

admin person was on holidays a few weeks ago when the original 4 yellow ban for Lurch was issued.

**Dodge** · 19/08/2006, 4:07 PM

If I was a Bohs fan the person I'd be blaming is gareth farrelly for picking him in the first place. Without a shadow of the doubt, he's the worst centre half in the league. He's cost Bohs more points this season than this thing...

**Vitruvian Man** · 19/08/2006, 4:09 PM

The irony of it all is that McGuinness was muck and did everything he could to help Shelbourne win the match.

It's the weekend and these kind of things get cleared up fairly easily.

If it was our fault we will get docked the points and you won't hear us complaining (too much) - sure what use is 3 points to us anyway this season.

It's just so sweet to deny Shels and to know the Small Mind in the Small Club will be so bitter over it just makes it all the sweeter. So I HOPE McGuinness was suspended for the game so I can laugh at Shels even more.

The real question is what happens to those 3 points when Shels results are expunged from the league record after they are wound-up. Do we get them back.

**bohs til i die** · 19/08/2006, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

The real question is what happens to those 3 points when Shels results are expunged from the league record after they are wound-up. Do we get them back.

Now that would be funny

**sfc red** · 19/08/2006, 5:03 PM

You have all the time in the world to be bitter now that your season is over.

**bohs til i die** · 19/08/2006, 6:27 PM

Originally Posted by sfc red

You have all the time in the world to be bitter now that your season is over.

eh we do have at least 1 more week of the season that means something. Shels could be out of business by the time we kick off against the Hoops

**Stato** · 20/08/2006, 7:10 AM

Originally Posted by chippie0001

The reason we are blaming the FAI is we rang both on the Wednesday and the Thursday, two seperate Bohs officials and two different FAI people. On both occasions we were told we had no players out.

I agree if this is messed up its our fault, plain and simple, however it does not help when the body that oversees the suspensions tell us we have no players out.

It'd be interesting to know who they asked and what was asked. There are only two people in the League office (not the FAI) who would have any proper idea about suspensions.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, a red card is an automatic suspension under FIFA rules. The FAI Disciplinary Committee (of which one of the two League people is secretary) will only meet this coming Wednesday to discuss the red card from the Shels game (they allow clubs time to get their defence in) and might or might not decide that the one-match suspension is enough of a punishment.

The old adage applies, if in doubt, get it in writing.

**sfc red** · 20/08/2006, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

eh we do have at least 1 more week of the season

Big club eh?

Shels could be out of business by the time we kick off against the Hoops

We won't

**Poor Student** · 20/08/2006, 7:21 PM

Originally Posted by northside hoop

exactly, the end is to stop suspended players playing, not to catch and punish teams who **** up.

It must be set up like this to avoid the culpability ever lying with the officials and the organisations. Every so often in European competition a team breaks a rule by playing a suspended player or ineligible one. If UEFA aren't bothered to set up a system to ensure that teams don't accidentally select banned or ineligible players then we won't see it happen here. It leaves the onus on the team and that suits the organisations.

An article in the Ireland on Sunday claims Ollie and the Shels staff already knew McGuinness was suspended and were shocked to hear about him being announced in the lineup and made their own enquiries as did Bohs before the game.

**hoopy** · 20/08/2006, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

The irony of it all is that McGuinness was muck and did everything he could to help Shelbourne win the match.

I keep saying this but surely Bohs fans have spotted the trend by now. Player leaves Rovers and goes to Bohs, player isn't half as good with Bohs as he was with Rovers

**Mr A** · 20/08/2006, 7:35 PM

I keep saying this but surely Bohs fans have spotted the trend by now. Player leaves Rovers and goes to Bohs, player isn't half as good with Bohs as he was with Rovers

Wouldn't that seem to indicate that moving from Rovers to Bohs is a big step up?