Since when do we boo our own team?

**eirebhoy** · 20/08/2006, 6:24 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Getting beaten at home 4-0 to an average Dutch team is not good.

I wouldn't say they're average.

van Bronkhorst, van Bommel and van Nistelrooy can't even make the squad.

**nshoop** · 21/08/2006, 1:33 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Irish players will always give it their all. .

Yeah duff and keane look very interested when they bother playing and the brits(morrison and co) show great pride and determination on the pitch.Sh*te players can make ok teams if they give 100% effort and show some pride,as past irish teams have shown,but the current team has very little talent and doesn't give a boll*cks(I'll exclude given and carr who always give an effort)

**keenanboy** · 21/08/2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I wouldn't say they're average.

van Bronkhorst, van Bommel and van Nistelrooy can't even make the squad.

Agreed. The Dutch are a very tidy outfit and were let down by a lack of discipline in the World Cup rather than a lack of talent.

**eirebhoy** · 21/08/2006, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by nshoop

Yeah duff and keane look very interested when they bother playing and the brits(morrison and co) show great pride and determination on the pitch.

Duff? Man of the match in almost every friendly he plays in.

**DotTV** · 21/08/2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by slow2anger

You are entitled to boo your team off the pitch if the performance is $hite. If there are hundreds/thousands doing it then obviously you are not alone in thinking it's $hite.

Maybe the prawn sandwich brigade won't boo as it is their first and only appearence at a game. But the supporter who spends all his/her cash travelling around the world supporting their country is entitled to boo. The 'oh it might hurt their feelings' or 'you can't boo your country' crowd are the same ones who clap when the opposition scores a goal at lansdowne road.

What a load of bull****.I've travelled around the world supporting Ireland, spending my hard earned money to get behind the team.This crap that you have "earned the right" to boo your own country is a load of nonsense.
You're there to support the team.The people who boo them are the same clowns cheering them on when things are going well.
You cant have it both ways.Support them when they do well and support them when they do bad

**Roverstillidie** · 21/08/2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by DotTV

What a load of bull****.I've travelled around the world supporting Ireland, spending my hard earned money to get behind the team.This crap that you have "earned the right" to boo your own country is a load of nonsense.
You're there to support the team.The people who boo them are the same clowns cheering them on when things are going well.
You cant have it both ways.Support them when they do well and support them when they do bad

and the prize for stating the bleedin obvious goes to

you are right. delaney knows best. dont think. just consume. heaven forbid the fans create an atmosphere, good or bad.

**Duffman** · 21/08/2006, 12:39 PM

Impossible to say I suppose but I would be curious how many of these booing/beat the traffic merchants have nailed down their Stuttgart tickets. How typical it may be for the FAI to have supplied the negative merchants with tickets

**DotTV** · 21/08/2006, 12:40 PM

Thats not what I said Rovers and I never mentioned Delaney so don't be putting words in my mouth.
My point is you should always support the team, good or bad.
Nothing positive comes from booing the team.It didn't make them play any better, did it?

**slow2anger** · 21/08/2006, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by DotTV

What a load of bull****.I've travelled around the world supporting Ireland, spending my hard earned money to get behind the team.This crap that you have "earned the right" to boo your own country is a load of nonsense.
You're there to support the team.The people who boo them are the same clowns cheering them on when things are going well.
You cant have it both ways.Support them when they do well and support them when they do bad

Fair enough. Go on and keep applauding poor performances.

**DotTV** · 21/08/2006, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by slow2anger

Fair enough. Go on and keep applauding poor performances.

It's not applauding poor performances, it's supporting the team when they're down and need the fans the most.

**osarusan** · 21/08/2006, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Point I'm making is calling yourself a supporter and then booing your own team is a contradiction.

Didnt see the game so I cant comment on the effort made by the players, or Stauntons tactics etc.

But I disagree with the above comment. I think that part of being a supporter is the willingness to criticize a team when they are playing badly. Dont support the team blindly, understand the game and the abilities and limits of your team.

Booing may not be positive criticism, but I think it is a valid way to criticize the team.

Were supporters to say "That performance was of a standard which was not acceptable to the supporters", I think most people would say that was a fair point.

Booing, in my opinion, sends the same message.

**nshoop** · 21/08/2006, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Duff? Man of the match in almost every friendly he plays in.

Says it all really

**eirebhoy** · 21/08/2006, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by nshoop

Says it all really

So you think he only tries in friendlies?

**Green Tribe** · 21/08/2006, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I've been to a good few Ireland games over the years and I can't recall us booing our own lads. Whatever excuse one may off for the final score there was a resounding chorus of boos after the first half.

There was also a pretty big walkout fairly early on, maybe about the hour mark. A lot of us pat ourselves on the back for being such great supporters but that's crap. It's also ridiculous to see different members of the crowd boo different members of the Dutch team depending on their club allegience. I thought this was supposed to be a Celtic sectarian problem but it seems the issue runs far wider. Pathetic stuff.

I agree with this Poor Student, no need for it

**youngirish** · 22/08/2006, 1:37 PM

I don't agree with this idiotic opinion that you shouldn't boo your team under any cirumstances and we should just support these embarrasing displays like brainswashed, happy, similing mongos. This is absolute rubbish. Under normal circumstances even if we were beaten at home by 1 or 2 goals by a good team and gave a decent account of ourselves I wouldn't condone any booing but after that shambles of a performance (the worst I've ever seen from Ireland) I think it's more than justified. And also the other point that the players weren't good enough to get anything better from the match and tried their hardest is also nonsense. Liechenstein probably wouldn't get beaten 4-0 at home by Holland so for us (a country with a half decent recent International record) it was a disgrace.

Booing let's the players know (and Staunton and the FAI) in no uncertain terms that these performances just aren't good enough and that the fans now expect better. I'm sure the players (all being highly paid professionals) would probably agree and will get over a few boos. The alternative is to go back to the good old days whereby win, draw or lose we were all happy because we were all only there for the crack and it didn't bother us that we were rubbish. I personally hope those days are long behind us. That loser mentality is what held us back for so long until Charlton came along.

**Cowboy** · 22/08/2006, 2:28 PM

How did you come to the conclusion that it was an idiotic opinion, seems to me that many here do not agree with booing? I dont believe anyone here who opposes booing would say that criticism should not take place, of course it should and did , during the game you could here howls of derision everytime everytime the ball was given away or someone was clearly not giving enough effort. If you consider yourself a supporter then

A. Dont leave before the game is over (take the good with the bad)

B. Dont boo your own team.

If you consider booing equates to having a winning mentality the you really should examine your own logic.

**brine3** · 22/08/2006, 2:33 PM

Since when do we boo our own team??
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since the last time we lost 4-0 at home?

**bennocelt** · 22/08/2006, 7:14 PM

Originally Posted by Cowboy

How did you come to the conclusion that it was an idiotic opinion, seems to me that many here do not agree with booing? I dont believe anyone here who opposes booing would say that criticism should not take place, of course it should and did , during the game you could here howls of derision everytime everytime the ball was given away or someone was clearly not giving enough effort. If you consider yourself a supporter then

A. Dont leave before the game is over (take the good with the bad)

B. Dont boo your own team.

If you consider booing equates to having a winning mentality the you really should examine your own logic.

well i agree with his point
yeah your right...a football fan should NEVER leave until the fulltime whistle, thats criminal
BUT of course you should boo your team, if they are shi te then they deserve it
that ireland team couldnt have given a monkeys, and they they didnt deserve your "support" by clapping and applauding them

**Cowboy** · 22/08/2006, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

and they they didnt deserve your "support" by clapping and applauding them

you assume incorrectly that I clapped and applauded (is there a difference between the two? ) I and those around me shouted derision at every mistake made and tried to roar some life into their performance to no avail.

**Roverstillidie** · 23/08/2006, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Cowboy

you assume incorrectly that I clapped and applauded (is there a difference between the two? ) I and those around me shouted derision at every mistake made and tried to roar some life into their performance to no avail.

and when that failed you should have done what every other set of fans in the world do, booed the sh�te out of them