Rovers deducted 3 points?

Red&White · 17/08/2006, 12:35 AM

Not that the three point loss matters that much for Rovers; 1st, 2nd, 3rd no real difference as they'll be in next years league for sure.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 17/08/2006, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Red&White

Not that the three point loss matters that much for Rovers; 1st, 2nd, 3rd no real difference as they'll be in next years league for sure.

Suppose they would like to say that they were promoted on merit but they don't care how they go up because they think they shouldn't have been allowed to be relegated.

**Raheny Red** · 17/08/2006, 1:43 AM

Originally Posted by Red&White

Not that the three point loss matters that much for Rovers; 1st, 2nd, 3rd no real difference as they'll be in next years league for sure.

Ah but the aul' Hoops have to get some sort of trophy for the first time in over ten years

**hoopy** · 17/08/2006, 6:23 AM

Have to laugh at some of the ****e written on here. If Rovers were deducted 200 points some people would still come on here and justify it. It's not too hard to understand a Galway fan saying it was justified as they're still clutching at the proverbial 2 straws that they've still a hope of winning the league, but for a Shels fan to come on and take the ****, this a club who've been cheating their way in this league for too long now, that really takes the biscuit

**stickyjoe** · 17/08/2006, 7:17 AM

Am I missing something here or have Rovers been deducted 3 points for an ex-Dublin City player having a ban? How can he have a suspension if the league have come up with the decision to expung all Dublin City games from the records ?

The league have also admitted Hargan was suspended playing for Derry but it was the leagues fault for not notifying Derry ? This would be funny only for its so serious. Yet again the FAI/League Board have turned the league into a laughing stock. You wouldn`t see this kind of stuff in Junior Football

**Roverstillidie** · 17/08/2006, 7:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

He had served the first game of a two game suspension with Dublin City.

incorrect as usual dodge.

he had seen out his original two game ban with CHF but the league gave him an additional one game ban which is the bone of contention.

he was unaware, the club was unaware.

the hypocricy is sickening. derry were informed incorrectly so its ok, shields and rovers werent informed at all so its - 3 points.

it will be appealed of course.

**Roverstillidie** · 17/08/2006, 8:01 AM

Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

Unfortunately it's a bit sloppy by Rovers, regardless of whether the player was at the club or not they should still have checked whether he was carrying a suspension or not.

how do you know they didnt?

**Ronnie** · 17/08/2006, 8:09 AM

I think in this case Rovers very hard done by - if all DC results eliminated then surely bookings picked by players, both for DC and for players who got bookings against DC should be eliminated?

**dcfc_1928** · 17/08/2006, 8:33 AM

I was think the same thing, but then what else wouldn't count?

Would players who missed games against Dublin City because of suspension, have to serve their suspensions again?

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I think in this case Rovers very hard done by - if all DC results eliminated then surely bookings picked by players, both for DC and for players who got bookings against DC should be eliminated?

**gufct** · 17/08/2006, 8:43 AM

I die your wrong there he had served a mandatory one game ban after his sending off and was susequently suspended for one more game.Rovers should have checked this out when they were signing him.

It is the player who carries the suspension not the club and to say that all bookings and suspension should be wiped out because DC no longer exist is stupid.

**BohsPartisan** · 17/08/2006, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by stickyjoe

Am I missing something here or have Rovers been deducted 3 points for an ex-Dublin City player having a ban? How can he have a suspension if the league have come up with the decision to expung all Dublin City games from the records ?

The league have also admitted Hargan was suspended playing for Derry but it was the leagues fault for not notifying Derry ? This would be funny only for its so serious. Yet again the FAI/League Board have turned the league into a laughing stock. You wouldn`t see this kind of stuff in Junior Football

Its even worse than we thought then. They played a non existant player. Ban them forever!

**bigmac** · 17/08/2006, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesThompson

So the decision that was decided upon that should never have been a decision was decided to relook at the original decision in the context that it was decided that the subcommittee that had originally made the decision had no right to do so and hence the decision was made to decide that the correct decision making panel should take a look at the issue and make their own decision on it?

Yes minister.

**Dodge** · 17/08/2006, 9:30 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

incorrect as usual dodge.

he had seen out his original two game ban with CHF but the league gave him an additional one game ban which is the bone of contention.

No bother, thanks for clearing it up. Just posted what I read elsewhere.

There's no way you can say Rovers didn''t drop the ball though by not contacting the league. If they did and were told he's OK I guarentee you Rovers wouldn't be docked points.

Anyway do the players still have to serve those suspensions? Presume so but who knows what the iLeague new rules are?

**Roverstillidie** · 17/08/2006, 9:38 AM

Originally Posted by gufct

Rovers should have checked this out when they were signing him.

so the onus is on us to find out if shields is suspended despite the fact even the player himself hadnt been notified but the onus is on the league to tell derry that hargan is suspended?

the anti-rovers bias is on full flow

**dcfc_1928** · 17/08/2006, 9:40 AM

According to Derry City's solicitor, the league tried to claim the Disciplinary Committee met on the 21st July, and that Derry were informed 24 hours later.

When Derry investigated, it transpired that the Committee actually met on the 14th July - a week earlier than they claimed!!

Derry weren't "informed" of the suspension until 22nd July - more than 48 hours after the Committee met.

What a bunch of jokers!

**green-blood** · 17/08/2006, 10:11 AM

Some facts

june 23 - Sheils sent off Vs DErry
june 26 - did not feature for DC Vs Drogheda
june 30 - did not feature for DC Vs Longford
July 8 - back for Sligo
July 14 - played Vs Shels
July 14 - disciplinary committee meetig, although they claimed to Derry it was the 21st
July 19 - DCFC resign from league, all players free agents
July 21 - claimed date of meeting - lie, as revealed by DCFC
July 22 - sheils signed for SRFCJuly 22 - Derry informed of Suspension, outside time limit, no notification to Sheils or SRFC
July 23 - Sub Vs dundalk
July 28 - Sub Vs Athlone
Aug 4 - did not feature Vs Galway
Aug 12 - sub Vs Kildare

complete bull****. He served a 2 game ban folowing his red Vs Derry, played for Dub city, was suspended in secret by a committee which did not send notices to Derry for 8 days and sent none to teh player or his new club at all. they then lied to Derry about when they held their meeting.

complete horse****

**Roverstillidie** · 17/08/2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

No bother, thanks for clearing it up. Just posted what I read elsewhere.

There's no way you can say Rovers didn''t drop the ball though by not contacting the league. If they did and were told he's OK I guarentee you Rovers wouldn't be docked points.

Anyway do the players still have to serve those suspensions? Presume so but who knows what the iLeague new rules are?

but the point here is on one hand the league admit that its up to them to notify clubs of suspensions and when they don't/cant its the leagues fault.

on the other hand its up to another club to find out themselves in the absence of notification from the league.

the same rule was not applied to both cases evenly. its the leagues responsibility to inform relevent parties of suspensions or its not. not sometimes their job.

**Dodge** · 17/08/2006, 10:20 AM

I'm not saying Rovers deserved to get suspended, I'm saying they should still have checked with the FAI. He knew he was suspended for his last Dublin City game, he should've informed Rovers and they should have checked. Of course the FAi dropped the ball too, but they're fools and we need to know that when dealing with them. Pats certainly do...

**bigmac** · 17/08/2006, 10:30 AM

I'm in Rovers corner on this one - either it's the league's responsibility to inform players or clubs about suspensions or it's not. Their stance in the Derry case seems to accept that they have a responsibility to inform the relevant club/player within a certain time period. The questions then are;

When was the official punishment decided? It appears as if he had a two game ban that he served with DC, then on the 14th there was a disciplinary meeting at which an extra game was imposed.
Was this communicated within the relevant time period to DC (still a functioning entity until the 19th)? I've no idea about this one, but if it was, then the question is - Did DC inform Sheils prior to their implosion? If not, then it would seem to be their fault, with the tricky result that there's nobody left to take the blame. I'm not sure of the rules regarding players suspensions when transfers or signings take place, but I wouldn't be surprised if none existed. If nobody told Sheils or Rovers, then I can totally sympathise, but if they told DC, then I don't see the appeal being successful.

**Jerry The Saint** · 17/08/2006, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Red&White

Not that the three point loss matters that much for Rovers; 1st, 2nd, 3rd no real difference as they'll be in next years league for sure.

Exactly - they've already made up for this points deduction by having a good run in the League Cup. If the FAI are going to promote/relegate teams for bullsh!t arbitrary reasons you can't expect them to pay attention to the actual players/clubs.