The Ghost of Dublin City haunts league

**manic da hoop** · 10/08/2006, 4:10 PM

....but this whole problem only started when the league administrators were the first not to follow proceedures by allowing CHF to drop out of the league in mid-season. Any attempts from here on in the throw the book at individual clubs for reasons associated with the above is hypocracy of the highest order on their behalf because it was their messing around the led to this mess!

**higgins** · 10/08/2006, 4:17 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Higgins since you are batting for Shels on this can you explain to me if I am reading this wrong.

Ollie has objected to the original decision on the ground that it didn�t follow the correct procedure.
I�m ok with that � that�s fine, he�s well within his rights

But, as I read it, the decision is now to go back to the start and follow the correct procedure to decide what happens to the Dublin City result.
But Ollie is saying he won�t abide by that decision.

So he won�t agree to it if the procedure is not followed and he won�t agree to it if the procedure IS followed.
So Ollie�s position is "Give us what we want or we�ll sue" � pretty much the standard Shelbourne way of dealing with things.

Im not really batting for Shels

If the decision goes the way of getting rid of all results so be it. Im ever so slightly in favour of handing walkovers.

I am against the FAI and their refusul to follow procedures.

As for you question, I think he means that he will not debate it any further while the league table still indicates that the clubs lost the points.

Id imagine if the appeal was successful that the points should be reinstated until they debate the issue and decide what to do.

My reading on that is he wants the League Table to reflect the successful appeal ?
I could be wrong

**higgins** · 10/08/2006, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

The original decision was the correct one. Going back on it now makes the league look ridiculous but of course why would the convicted criminal care?

Hope the FAI/league stand firm and tell oily to fack off.

KOH

The league doesnt look ridiculous!
If anything, its going to help define a rule regarding this crap in the future. Theres only so much 'make it up as you go along' the clubs can take. If we have rules in place lets follow them and if you dont like them then vote to change them.

Its very simple and appeals happen daily in other league without everyone saying what a joke the league is. Wait until the premiership starts across the way and listen to the sports round up in the mornings there always appeals added on to the end of most stories.

I wouldnt get too upset about things lads.

If Longford and Shels had no grounds for appeal they would have been told to **** off. Instead they were successful but yet you all seem to disagree?????

As much as you can say Im backing Ollie because I follow Shels, I can easily point out that you lot are backing the FAI because it hits Shels harder.

Just let them get on with it and we will see what happens.

**dancinpants** · 10/08/2006, 5:24 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

If Longford and Shels had no grounds for appeal they would have been told to **** off. Instead they were successful but yet you all seem to disagree?????.

Why didn't Cork join yer appeal? Seriously - just wondering.

**Bald Student** · 10/08/2006, 9:29 PM

I agree largely with Higgins on this. If there was a proceadure, it should have been followed.

Was there a proceadure (can someone cite the rule?) or is it a case that there was no proceadure and there's an appeal as to which committee should make the foregone conclusion?

Shels' and Longford are entitled to take the appeal but it does seem a bit pointless because I don't see the decision being overturned.

**NY Hoop** · 11/08/2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

The league doesnt look ridiculous!
If anything, its going to help define a rule regarding this crap in the future. Theres only so much 'make it up as you go along' the clubs can take. If we have rules in place lets follow them and if you dont like them then vote to change them.

Its very simple and appeals happen daily in other league without everyone saying what a joke the league is. Wait until the premiership starts across the way and listen to the sports round up in the mornings there always appeals added on to the end of most stories.

I wouldnt get too upset about things lads.

If Longford and Shels had no grounds for appeal they would have been told to **** off. Instead they were successful but yet you all seem to disagree?????

As much as you can say Im backing Ollie because I follow Shels, I can easily point out that you lot are backing the FAI because it hits Shels harder.

Just let them get on with it and we will see what happens.

You are a WUM.

Viking CHF should have never been in the league. How did they get a license for this season? It is in the league rule book that a club can only resign at the END of a season. That seems very clear. Only people confused are those who want to be.

KOH

**Schumi** · 11/08/2006, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by viking

club got license cos all was in order simple as that.

Exactly, it's not like they went bust half way through the season.

**NY Hoop** · 11/08/2006, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by viking

ok then, the league confuses me. whats the point of folding at the end of the season when the club wasnt able the continue financially? club got license cos all was in order simple as that. do you suggest that a club should continue till end of season rake up debts that it might not be able to pay, players not being paid etc? o ye, that was the shamrock rovers way of thinking that got you to the first division. dublin city might be gone but the memory of sending shamrock rovers to the first division will live on for ever. job done.

You have a memory we have a past, present and a future not to mention fans but thanks for making a laughing stock of the league.

KOH

**Roverstillidie** · 11/08/2006, 2:19 PM

viking, what we are saying is you never applied to join the league and clearly werent sustainable, so shouldnt have been let in in the first place.

but once you were in, the rules should have been applied. and the rule is clubs fulfil their fixtures in some form. that rule was breached by letting you walk away and not making you field an amateur side, which leads to higgins:

this is an unprecedented situation for the EL. the rules state that clubs fulfil their fixtures. one club cannot. so the coard of control had to decide who decides what to do now. they decided to decide and they decided to decide to expunge their results.

ollie is arguing that the bard of control have no power over the 21 clubs. my arse, the hint is in the title, board of control.

**WeAreRovers** · 11/08/2006, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Exactly, it's not like they went bust half way through the season.

Or told bare-faced lies about projected attendances at Dalymount - 1,500!! Even the landlords up there struggle to get those gates.

Mind you, I still blame the FAI for allowing Deceased FC to get away with a blatantly unsustainable licence apllication.

BOB BREEN, HOW DO YOU STILL HAVE A JOB?

KOH

**placid casual** · 11/08/2006, 3:53 PM

jeez viking your a bitter little man.

the sun is shining here on foot.ie cos of the wonderfull exertions of Derry and you want to bring us all down.

always with the negative waves..

i'm sure shels will take you under their wing.

**WeAreRovers** · 11/08/2006, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by viking

typical rovers, still talking crap. it could have been you if it wasnt for the numerous dedicated fans you have.

And the prize for stating the bleeding obvious goes to....

KOH

**passerrby** · 11/08/2006, 6:08 PM

lets hope the board of management reinstate the board of controls dicision. its the only logical step. ops there i go again applying logic to the EL

**trevy** · 12/08/2006, 10:22 AM

What happens to teams who only played Dublin City once and didn't have the opportunity to pick up points against them 2nd time around?Should they be awarded 3 points under Ollie Byrne's plans.If they aren't it'd mean some teams only played 31 games this season and others 32 which leaves them at an obvious disadvantage.What a farce.Its the FAI's own fault for leaving Dublin City into the premier division in the first place when they were clearly unable to stay there with their tiny crowds and having to rent a ground from another team.They were always going to go bust at some stage.

**higgins** · 12/08/2006, 1:35 PM

Trevy, I dont think anyone is saying that the league should end with everyone playing an uneven amount of games.
Walkovers will apply for remaining fixtures if anything changes.

You either wipe out the results and reward those who already played Dublin and lost

or

you offer walkovers and punish those who played Dublin and lost.

Its simple enough.

**John83** · 12/08/2006, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Trevy, I dont think anyone is saying that the league should end with everyone playing an uneven amount of games.
Walkovers will apply for remaining fixtures if anything changes.

You either wipe out the results and reward those who already played Dublin and lost

or

you offer walkovers and punish those who played Dublin and lost.

Its simple enough.

You're not punishing those who lost to CHF, you're giving the likes of UCD, who didn't play them in the second round before they folded, an unfair advantage over those clubs who did.

At least if you wipe out their results, the league is decided by a round robin competition, rather than a lottery.

This whole thing comes down to Shels self interest again. I'll be disgusted if the decision is overturned.