Derry & Rovers to be deducted points

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

I think I hate anyone that dons a blazer in every sport.

Now you're talking

**dcfc_1928** · 09/08/2006, 2:13 PM

What I'm saying is - if only the first series of Dublin City matches are taking into account, then why should the should the clubs who had to play DC away in the first series be penalised?

It is arguable that if both Drogheda and Derry had played their first DC games at home they could have achieved better results - as shown by the subsequent home matches in the second series.

Therefore rightly or wrongly, there will be arguments on both sides over what action the League should take. As I said, its a mess.

And yes, if Derry had won their first match, and Cork had lost - I'd probably be looking for the first round results to stand?!? :-)

Originally Posted by Peadar

Don't know what your point is?
We beat them 1-0 at home and 0-4 away.
You lost 1-0 to them away.

You expect to be rewarded for that?

**sullanefc** · 09/08/2006, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Can we all just agree that we all want what is best for our own clubs situation?

Does anyone favour a system that means their own club loses position in the league?

I think I'm leaning towards the expunging of points scenario. I know it doesn't favour Cork City but it seems right. I don't like the fact that players get goals and appearances stricken from the record yet suspensions still stand, but from a fairness point of view, I think the original decision was the fairest one.

In my local league a team dropped out. We had drawn with them twice but because of cancellation of fixtures earlier in the season some teams hadn't played them yet. We were going for promotion, but when the team in question left, all the teams around us were awarded 6 points and we lost out. If their results were made null and void we probably would have been promoted. Seemed unfair to us at the time.

On the other hand Cork City would gain from a similar scenario in this league, so I don't know. It's one big mess.

**Poor Student** · 09/08/2006, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Does anyone favour a system that means their own club loses position in the league?

Well I don't favour UCD getting a 3-0 walkover for a game that will never be played.

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 2:59 PM

It doesn't affect Pats (or me) one way or the other.

**BohDiddley** · 09/08/2006, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Does anyone favour a system that means their own club loses position in the league?

Certainly not. Why should they?

**Terry** · 09/08/2006, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

I think I hate anyone that dons a blazer in every sport.

does that include when the longford players wear them after and before a match?

**placid casual** · 09/08/2006, 4:21 PM

"does that include when the longford players wear them after and before a match?"

is this a case of not knowing whether they are coming or going?

**higgins** · 09/08/2006, 5:04 PM

If we could go back to the day Dublin City folded and left the league I would agree to the 1-0 win for everyone situation in the remaining fixtures.

My theory being that you either take away the points and punish the teams that have played and won or you award the 1-0 wins and punish the teams who have played and lost.

Its 50/50 on who you want to see lose out.

1 The teams who won
2 The teams who lost

Id agree with Dodge and go for walkovers until the end of the season.

Because the FAI jumped in and made a decision I'm kind of swaying the way of just shutting up and keeping things the way they are but maybe as a matter of principle it has to be challenged. Its unthinkable that the FAI just came up with a decision there and then and released it the same night of Dublin folding.

What should of happened is all 21 EL clubs got together to debate the issue and came up with a ruling that would be put in place for the next situation.

What the FAI did was wrong but it wasn’t so wrong that Id like to see Judge Judy get involved.

Longford and Shels challenged the decision to expunge the points, I agree with them doing that but I also agree that if they get told that’s the way it is going to be that they leave it there and accept it as another FAI mess.

**Roverstillidie** · 09/08/2006, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Still should have checked. Has nobody learned from our mistakes

turns out the FAI sent the letter informing shields of his suspension to the wrong address.

i believe he wasnt on the list of suspensions from the FAI either.

neither himself, his old or new club were aware of the suspension and the fai didnt mention it on registration. the onus is on the league to inform clubs and players, not the clubs to ask every week who they can play

and besides, its just a story in the press at the moment.

**Dazzy** · 09/08/2006, 5:50 PM

Well Derry now in the clear, O'Flynns extra suspension only applies to St. Pats and Cork http://irishfootballonline.com/news_...hp?newsid=5145

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

turns out the FAI sent the letter informing shields of his suspension to the wrong address.

Easily believe that.

Which makes me hate this league...

**nshoop** · 09/08/2006, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

turns out the FAI sent the letter informing shields of his suspension to the wrong address.

i believe he wasnt on the list of suspensions from the FAI either.

.

It beggars belief!,and we're letting these run our league from next season,God help us

**Mr A** · 10/08/2006, 1:55 AM

Was the letter sent directly to the player or via Rovers? Surely the league at least knows the addresses of its clubs?

**dav_sfc** · 10/08/2006, 3:27 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Can we all just agree that we all want what is best for our own clubs situation?

No.

Originally Posted by pete

Does anyone favour a system that means their own club loses position in the league?

Yes...

See my post here....
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=502136#post502136

**sonofstan** · 10/08/2006, 7:06 AM

Originally Posted by Galway Harps

Was the letter sent directly to the player or via Rovers? Surely the league at least knows the addresses of its clubs?

Not easy with Rovers, though...

**charliesboots** · 10/08/2006, 8:37 AM

Originally Posted by Dazzy

Well Derry now in the clear, O'Flynns extra suspension only applies to St. Pats and Cork http://irishfootballonline.com/news_...hp?newsid=5145

It was Sean Hargan apparently. He was suppose to be suspended for the Bohs game but played. Derry say they didn't receive notification until the following week and as a result didn't play him against Bray.

**BohsPartisan** · 10/08/2006, 8:47 AM

No I want whatever hurts Shels the most. Either way it doesn't make a big difference to us.

**BohDiddley** · 10/08/2006, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by charliesboots

It was Sean Hargan apparently. He was suppose to be suspended for the Bohs game but played. Derry say they didn't receive notification until the following week and as a result didn't play him against Bray.

Irish Times says they will lose six points for playing him knowing he was suspended, and three if it's found that they didn't know.
But do we have any redress on this match, and if not why not?