Derry & Rovers to be deducted points

**sullanefc** · 09/08/2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Bray Head

Can't see how the Dublin City results could be overturned as some teams only played them once and others played them twice. Surely the FAI could have bailed them out until they played every team twice then there could be no arguments.

That would have been the fairest way.

**Terry** · 09/08/2006, 10:40 AM

but if it happened that way the dublin city players would have been expected to play for free for the club as seery had no cash left !!

Leave it the way it is, it was the best decision from the start

**Dee75** · 09/08/2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by monutdfc

Even if they just kept the first round of results, some sides played them at home and some played them away.
The correct decision was made. End of Story.

I never thought about that, thats it original decision stands, end of story. Anyone got Ollie's mobile and I'll phone him with the decision of the foot.ie jury

**mypost** · 09/08/2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by RonnieB

Has everybody played dublin city at least once?

As can be verified on the Premier Review, everybody played the joke side once. 6 teams played them twice, and none of their games were postponed.

**sullanefc** · 09/08/2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Terry

but if it happened that way the dublin city players would have been expected to play for free for the club as seery had no cash left !!

Leave it the way it is, it was the best decision from the start

Well the FAI could sort the players out just until the second round of fixtures are played. Then again, if they did that then everybody that was owed money by Dublin City would have expected the FAI to pay them. So maybe that was not feasable.

I'm not sure what the best way to handle the situation is. But one thing is for sure, whatever decision is made, not every club will be happy about it.

**Poor Student** · 09/08/2006, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Well the FAI could sort the players out just until the second round of fixtures are played. Then again, if they did that then everybody that was owed money by Dublin City would have expected the FAI to pay them. So maybe that was not feasable.

What possible motivation would the players have to try their hardest in those circumstances? The only thing that levels the playing field is to expunge all their results otherwise you'll have a distinct imbalance between home and away games.

**R�iteoir** · 09/08/2006, 11:15 AM

Which teams played Dublin City where in Series 1:

At Home

Cork
Longford
Shelbourne
Bray
Waterford

Away

Derry
Drogheda
Sligo
Bohemians
St Pats
UCD

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 11:17 AM

BTW I tend to agree with Ollie on this. Award a 3-0 win for each game not played.

Red&White · 09/08/2006, 11:31 AM

For ****s sake! This league is a bloody joke. Just when everything seems to be going well, those in charge manage to **** things up again. I don't know why I bother, I really don't.

**hoops1** · 09/08/2006, 11:32 AM

I hate to ask a stupid question but i will
Will anyone lose there jobs over this mess?

**Poor Student** · 09/08/2006, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

BTW I tend to agree with Ollie on this. Award a 3-0 win for each game not played.

And how is that fair on any team who dropped points to them in the 2nd half of the fixtures?

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

And how is that fair on any team who dropped points to them in the 2nd half of the fixtures?

Because they dropped points. How is it fair that teams who didn't drop points are punished?

Agree that the goal difference thing is up in the air but IMO awarded three points for games not played is far fairer.

Also agree that no matter what Ollie and Delaney decide there's going to be people upset, and another asterix champion will celebrate...

**dcfc_1928** · 09/08/2006, 11:59 AM

Derry played them away first - 1-0 defeat at Dalymount. Think it was 17th March.

Originally Posted by R�iteoir

Which teams played Dublin City where in Series 1:

At Home

Cork
Longford
Shelbourne
Bray
Waterford

Away

Derry
Drogheda
Sligo
Bohemians
St Pats
UCD

**Poor Student** · 09/08/2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Because they dropped points. How is it fair that teams who didn't drop points are punished?

I think considering teams no longer having those points as being punished is not correct. You've got to look at it in a more abstract and wide approach and the best approach is to wipe out the entire record as the team did not complete even two thirds of the season. The approach that leaves the best balance is to wipe out the record.

**pete** · 09/08/2006, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

BTW I tend to agree with Ollie on this. Award a 3-0 win for each game not played.

That is the fairest approach. It does not punish teams who have only played once & means if you dropped points against them you don't get a free ride.

**Poor Student** · 09/08/2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by pete

means if you dropped points against them you don't get a free ride.

And if you haven't played them twice you do. Total nonsense. I know the chances we were going to beat Dublin City 3-0 would not have been that likely. It would be ridiculous for us to be awarded a 3-0 win because we didn't play them.

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I think considering teams no longer having those points as being punished is not correct. You've got to look at it in a more abstract and wide approach and the best approach is to wipe out the entire record as the team did not complete even two thirds of the season. The approach that leaves the best balance is to wipe out the record.

Think you're being a little patronising to say I'm not looking at the bigger picture.

The facts are that ON the field of play, Drogheda and Derry did not perform and dropped points, Shels and Cork did perform (home and away) and got the points they deserved. I have no problem with either option being decided but IMO awarded victories for games to be played is a fairer system for all clubs. You disagree, no biggie.

Oh and BTW nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Shels lose the league on a technicality

**pineapple stu** · 09/08/2006, 12:25 PM

You can't possibly have a system whereby one team gets a walkover in a match which another team is asked to play. It's a nonsense. The best way was to annul all results, as was done.

Interestingly, the rule book gives no guidance for what to do in this situation, so this decision is now also challengable. It does, however, say that no team may drop out of the league mid-season! So this will be back and forth for a while.

What does Fu(kers Are Incompetent abbreviate as?

**dcfcsteve** · 09/08/2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Because they dropped points. How is it fair that teams who didn't drop points are punished?

Agree that the goal difference thing is up in the air but IMO awarded three points for games not played is far fairer.

How is that fairer ??

Dublin City were a mid-table team when they imploded. They got there by taking points off a number of teams. Some of those teams they had two shots at taking points from, some only one. Regardless - they had proven themselves well capable of taking points off a wide variety of teams.

So how the hell could it be fair to just give everyone they were due to play 3pts for a win ?? That has got to be the most UNFAIR thing to do !

**Dodge** · 09/08/2006, 12:32 PM

I disagree. Its not the fault of the clubs that only played them once that they have no chance to earn those 3 points. If any team doesn't fulfill one fixture, the other team is awarded a victory. Standard procedure in most leagues and cups. Why should it be any different for 15-16 games?