EL is the new betting craze in Europe - Sunday Mirror

[Philly]

I work for Running-Ball - http://www.running-ball.com/ . Basically I update somebody in the far east on whats going on at Kildare County FC matches and get paid £50 - about €70-75 to do so. There is alot of interest in the eL abroad it seems.

[Stuttgart88]

But how could the league feasibly make money out of this ? They could team-up with a specific bookies to be the official betting site - but then you'd have issues with language (not significant - I doubt anyone without some grasp of English would be betting on our league, as they'd have to do it blind) and marketing - how the hell would you reach enough punters overseas ??

Get a foreign bookie to sponsor the league?

Sell the live TV rights to bookies shops?

[Philly]

Well the company I work for requires two people to provide updates per match - so a club could make about €150 per game off that if they provided updates themselves. That is probably as far as potential income for clubs goes though. Remember - those in Europe and Asia don't see the matches, the hoardings, the jerseys etc. The just see a bunch of stats and the chance of winning a few bob.

On a lighter note - they do call the club "Chill Dara FC"!!

[chippie0001]

What goes on in bookies is small fry. The Bohs v Shels game already has over €46k matched tonight on the result. There is still almost 6 hours to kick off. I won't be surprised if the bets tally to almost €100k on what we would regard as a mickey mouse game. There is money to be made on LOI bets for fans on betfair, so many back just odds with no research. Shels 1/2 tonight are great odds.

[ifk101]

I'd be a bit wary of foreign betting on LOI matches as I believe there would be a high "match-fixing" risk - esp. given the high number of part-timers in the league. If it can happen in Finland, probably one of the least corrupt countries in the world, it can happen here.

[Dodge]

What goes on in bookies is small fry. The Bohs v Shels game already has over €46k matched tonight on the result. There is still almost 6 hours to kick off. I won't be surprised if the bets tally to almost €100k on what we would regard as a mickey mouse game. There is money to be made on LOI bets for fans on betfair, so many back just odds with no research. Shels 1/2 tonight are great odds.

Can you imagine what it'd be like if it was in running? Betting on the LOI is my most profitable area. Odds are based on tables and not much more (bar JC's paddypower odds obviously)

[chippie0001]

Can you imagine what it'd be like if it was in running? Betting on the LOI is my most profitable area. Odds are based on tables and not much more (bar JC's paddypower odds obviously)

Yeah the league would be mine too. Have got my last 10 LOI bets up and its a handy way to earn cash. Especially on betfair where the odds are so much better and so much money there on the games.

[Philly]

It is "in running" with some companies! The odds change depending on the flow of the games etc...

[el punter]

The Betfair figures are some what misleading as 'matched bets' includes both sides of the wager. eg Eur100 at 2/1 shows as Eur300 matched. This is not the standard definition of turnover - a bookie would only show this as Eur100 wagered.

There are 5 figures bets placed by individuals alone on LOI in Asia. Hardly small fry

Shels at 1/2 on Betfair is no great value compared to the prices offered by traditional bookmakers on the game. In fairness alot of the odds on betfair come from people just putting up bookies prices and trying to lay them, and of course there's a ~5% commission to be deducted should you back a winner.

As for in-running, well every televised game is covered by Paddy Power, Stan James and plenty more. But as Philly says, all the guys with the phones at the games are providing updates for an in-running service.

If you can get an account with one of these asian bookies its the quickest way to get the latest scores on the games as they obviously don't mess about like Aertel!

[Réiteoir]

Got back from Norway today - and picked up an odds leaflet from a Narvesen (basically a kiosk/newsagent that doubles as a bookies - via a terminal like those used to do the Lottery tickets)

There are odds in there for all the Premier games played on the weekend - as well as they are offering odds for the Bohs - Shels League Cup game tonight

Have won cash in previous years betting on eL games whilst in Norway.

And to cap it all - picked up a copy of the biggest daily paper there one day last week - to find they had a preview on the Drogheda - Shels match, as well as all the other games played on Friday

[el punter]

Seems there more interest in our league abroad than at home.

[Réiteoir]

Tonight's odds courtesy of the Norsk Tipping Website:

Shelbourne - Bohemians Dublin

Home: 1,45
Away: 4,35
Draw at 90 mins: 3,05

[-Bray-]

I work for Running-Ball - http://www.running-ball.com/ . Basically I update somebody in the far east on whats going on at Kildare County FC matches and get paid £50 - about €70-75 to do so. There is alot of interest in the eL abroad it seems.

Thats cool. wat exactly do you have to do?

[JC_GUFC]

The Betfair figures are some what misleading as 'matched bets' includes both sides of the wager. eg Eur100 at 2/1 shows as Eur300 matched. This is not the standard definition of turnover - a bookie would only show this as Eur100 wagered.

Shels at 1/2 on Betfair is no great value compared to the prices offered by traditional bookmakers on the game. In fairness alot of the odds on betfair come from people just putting up bookies prices and trying to lay them, and of course there's a ~5% commission to be deducted should you back a winner.

I'll join in this betfair bashing too!

If you scout around you quite often a price with a bookmaker that is as good as if not better than what you'll get on betfair even before commission is taken into account.
You just have to get on early in the week because most bookmakers don't stand their eL prices to as much as they would other matches. Boyles 15/8 Shels for last weekend was gone before Friday morning!!

In PP generally at least 3 of the Premier Division games each weekend will have 5-figure turnover on them.

That said sometimes there is outstanding value on Betfair for games, unfortunately it mostly revolved around Dublin City!
The bet of the century was Dublin City v Bohs which on betfair was priced as an away game for Bohs!!! (Just shy of 2/1)

PP also always has 1st goalscorer etc for all Premier games - in fact I think there are 34 markets for every Premier Division match which no-one else has.

Of course the fact that the person pricing it actually has a clue is a disadvantage to all the punters!!!

[JC_GUFC]

Just to add, that anyone looking for livescores on the net

www.xscores.com

and

www.futbol24.com

both have live updates of all league games (Premier and 1st)

When Finn Harps scored in the 2nd minute yesterday they both had the goal while Aertel still had 'Finn Harps v Kilkenny'

J

[pete]

Surely the league should be getting some sort of cut from betting revenues simialr to the horse racing industry? Is the horse racing industry getting the eL's cut from bets?

[chippie0001]

I'll join in this betfair bashing too!

If you scout around you quite often a price with a bookmaker that is as good as if not better than what you'll get on betfair even before commission is taken into account.
You just have to get on early in the week because most bookmakers don't stand their eL prices to as much as they would other matches. Boyles 15/8 Shels for last weekend was gone before Friday morning!!

In PP generally at least 3 of the Premier Division games each weekend will have 5-figure turnover on them.

That said sometimes there is outstanding value on Betfair for games, unfortunately it mostly revolved around Dublin City!
The bet of the century was Dublin City v Bohs which on betfair was priced as an away game for Bohs!!! (Just shy of 2/1)

PP also always has 1st goalscorer etc for all Premier games - in fact I think there are 34 markets for every Premier Division match which no-one else has.

Of course the fact that the person pricing it actually has a clue is a disadvantage to all the punters!!!

Just a quick comparison of the odds for the betfair bashers, you can back Shels v Cork tonight at 1.92 so €100 stake after commission returns €87.40, where as with Powers the same stake only returns €61.58.

Thats a massive difference to us poor punters, shame JC is ripping us all off

[Dodge]

And more if you have your betfair points up

[el punter]

Just a quick comparison of the odds for the betfair bashers, you can back Shels v Cork tonight at 1.92 so €100 stake after commission returns €87.40, where as with Powers the same stake only returns €61.58.

Thats a massive difference to us poor punters, shame JC is ripping us all off

Not every bookmaker was a short as 8/13. Many were 4/5, and they could be backed at 10/11 (same as 1.92) if you looked hard enough - with zero commission of course.

Betfair is one tool in a punters armoury - it should not be the only tool.

[Ceirtlis]

Where you can get an asian handicap of -0.5 on a team on betfair you should take it instead of a straight win as asian handicaps are only 1% commision. Overall i find that Asian handicaps offer much better value than straight betting. The best way to bet on the el as was said earlier is to get in early. Alot of the foreign bookies have the games priced as early as Tuesday.